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Old 08-25-2010, 11:15 PM   #241
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Personally, I think HD-DVD would have lost the format war anyway, payoff or no payoff. Even when the competition started, and before HD-DVD/Blu-ray players came on the market, I had expected Sony to win out.

Firstly, Sony owns studios like Columbia under its Sony Pictures umbrella. They are also part owners of MGM. That already means that a fair number of movies/TV shows would use Blu-ray and not HD-DVD.

Second, there is the simple fact that Sony decided to include Blu-ray in the PS3. Even if the console ended up only being a third as successful as its predecessor, that would still mean that there were at least 40 million customers with a Blu-ray player at home, giving the format a significant advantage. Blu-ray was, simply, a safer bet.
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Personally, I think HD-DVD would have lost the format war anyway, payoff or no payoff. Even when the competition started, and before HD-DVD/Blu-ray players came on the market, I had expected Sony to win out.
Agreed. But just one little clarification, which started this whole mess.

There was no "payoff." They gave free advertising via linked PS3 ads and whatnot, but they did not give studios any money directly (the payoff is what Toshiba did, not Sony). This is, again, according to Forbes, who quoted Sony, as cited in my previous post.

Now if we could just get them to link the Reader with PS3 ads!

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Firstly, Sony owns studios like Columbia under its Sony Pictures umbrella. They are also part owners of MGM. That already means that a fair number of movies/TV shows would use Blu-ray and not HD-DVD.

Second, there is the simple fact that Sony decided to include Blu-ray in the PS3. Even if the console ended up only being a third as successful as its predecessor, that would still mean that there were at least 40 million customers with a Blu-ray player at home, giving the format a significant advantage. Blu-ray was, simply, a safer bet.
Agreed on this too. And according to either the Forbes or Variety article I cited, the PS3 did end up being a deciding factor for studios.

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Agreed. But just one little clarification, which started this whole mess.

There was no "payoff." They gave free advertising via linked PS3 ads and whatnot, but they did not give studios any money directly (the payoff is what Toshiba did, not Sony). This is, again, according to Forbes, who quoted Sony, as cited in my previous post.

Now if we could just get them to link the Reader with PS3 ads!


Agreed on this too. And according to either the Forbes or Variety article I cited, the PS3 did end up being a deciding factor for studios.

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Sorry I was getting my info from places like Gizmodo and this link.

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/08012/848675-96.stm

And from other forums I was apart of where people who pressed BDs for a living let it be known that Sony was footing the bill for an unspecified period of time for those studios to get their discs pressed. Toshiba ran scared and payed off Studios and that backfired.

All of this could have been viewed as one movie studio being nice and charitable to a competitor or a pay off. Either way this is a dead horse we are beating.
I enjoy my BD collection and sometimes my HDDVD collection but I have since moved onto Streaming.
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Old 08-26-2010, 03:31 PM   #245
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Personally, I think HD-DVD would have lost the format war anyway, payoff or no payoff. Even when the competition started, and before HD-DVD/Blu-ray players came on the market, I had expected Sony to win out.

Firstly, Sony owns studios like Columbia under its Sony Pictures umbrella. They are also part owners of MGM. That already means that a fair number of movies/TV shows would use Blu-ray and not HD-DVD.

Second, there is the simple fact that Sony decided to include Blu-ray in the PS3. Even if the console ended up only being a third as successful as its predecessor, that would still mean that there were at least 40 million customers with a Blu-ray player at home, giving the format a significant advantage. Blu-ray was, simply, a safer bet.
Also Toshiba was really the only manufacturer of HD DVD players. Without hardware competition (Shelf space) and no studio to call their own they were dead out of the gate.
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Old 08-26-2010, 03:32 PM   #246
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Back on topic.... Any word as to when Sony may announce these new readers?
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Old 08-26-2010, 04:11 PM   #247
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Sorry I was getting my info from places like Gizmodo and this link.

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/08012/848675-96.stm

And from other forums I was apart of where people who pressed BDs for a living let it be known that Sony was footing the bill for an unspecified period of time for those studios to get their discs pressed. Toshiba ran scared and payed off Studios and that backfired.

All of this could have been viewed as one movie studio being nice and charitable to a competitor or a pay off. Either way this is a dead horse we are beating.
I enjoy my BD collection and sometimes my HDDVD collection but I have since moved onto Streaming.
Yeah, Sony stated they would initially subsidize BD replication at the start of the Format War in order to compete with HD-DVD until costs came down. Costs eventually came down.

What's important -- and what got me up in arms -- was hearsay being pawned off as fact. Even the Gizmodo and the link you provided above based much of their info on hearsay, rumors and other unknown quantities. Rumors are rumors. But when they are repeated often enough, they take on a "George Washington cutting down the cherry tree" type of traction. Even the above article says Warner went Blu-ray for a "reportedly" $500M. Reported by whom? And when? And did Warner's financial statements show this $500M anywhere? (AFAIK, no, it didn't! Because the "reportedly" payment didn't happen!) So this old article sits on the Internet looking legitimate, even though it completely lacks a citation, and cannot be construed as "fact" or "truth" in any way. Compare this to direct quotes provided by Forbes and Paramount's financials quoted by Variety.

I think this ties in, somewhat peripherally, with this thread. It has to do with truth and facts -- the reason I took up this tangent in the first place.

We are debating whether or not those photos of the PRS-605 and PRS-305 are real. We want the truth, because truth is important. We make decisions -- and judgements -- based on what we perceive as truth, and getting as close to the truth as possible is an imperative. If there is a PRS-605 coming out, I might delay my PRS-600 or Kindle purchase, for example. And if you read an article from a reputable source which including quotes from Sony saying "Yes a PRS-605 is coming, and those pictures are accurate," wouldn't you weigh that very differently than someone saying "these are reportedly real pictures"?

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Back on topic.... Any word as to when Sony may announce these new readers?
Heard from two sites that Sony will held a conference around 1st Sept.
Teleread and some other Blog site got invitaitons and they told that Sony will offers news about the upcoming devices.
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Teleread and some other Blog site got invitaitons and they told that Sony will offers news about the upcoming devices.
If it's on September 1st, Sony can be assured of a quiet launch
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who cares, if they don't issue a dx 2 rival that is worth it's salt, is competitively priced and has a good screen they are pretty much irrelevant. That's where the crux is. Unfortunately the Japs are notoriously bad in writing their own software, so unless apple decided (which of course they won't) to have a dx 2 of their own, not much is going to come out of this.

Which is a shame really because sony used to be innovative in so many respects, to have ended up as just another hardware manufacturer with nothing that different to bring to the table is a let down, but that's happened years ago.
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Unfortunately the Japs are notoriously bad in writing their own software, so unless apple decided (which of course they won't) to have a dx 2 of their own, not much is going to come out of this.
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Yes, thank you very much. I am a racist because it's widely accepted in the computer industry that Japs, and asians in general, do not write effective software for their devices and the heart of software development is the U.S.

Of course you conveniently missed my saying how japanese sony used to be so "innovative". I have got to be the first racist to actually praise my targeted race for being innovative.

Btw, with an nickname of orca, you should be a bit more sensitive to the japanese genocide of whales a few decades ago, that still goes on.
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Yes, thank you very much. I am a racist because it's widely accepted in the computer industry that Japs, and asians in general, do not write effective software for their devices and the heart of software development is the U.S.

Of course you conveniently missed my saying how japanese sony used to be so "innovative". I have got to be the first racist to actually praise my targeted race for being innovative.
That showed how ignorant you are. I only have problem with your usage of term "Japs" to describe Japanese people. Anyone who's well educated would know that the term is deemed derogatory toward the people of Japan.

Also, guess where most of the softwares you're been using are coded these days? It's India and China. Did you realized that most of Microsoft's codes is developed not in the U.S.?

The reason is U.S. education system has failed to produce enough good "programmers". Please, get your fact straight before commenting.
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Btw, with an nickname of orca, you should be a bit more sensitive to the japanese genocide of whales a few decades ago, that still goes on.
Yes, I do have problem with Japanese fishing industry and its government for condoning this type of actions. That does not mean I have to slam everything came out of Japan. It's this kind of generalized hatred that caused people to hate each other.

No country or governmental body is perfect, including the U.S. If you open your eyes, you will see that the U.S. government is not a perfect global citizen either. Check Wikileak and see for yourself the things that our governments are doing around the world.

This will be my last respond to this within this thread.
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