Using ebook readers on aeroplanes? - Page 17

EowynCarter · 10-19-2010, 08:40 AM

That was in 1993.... That, as far as technology goes, was a long time ago...
If planes are still affected that way, getting into one is suicide ! You can't count on people to switch their devices off...

Portable devices are way more common than they where back in 1993. And with wi-fi and all, probably can emit more EM...

I really hope planes can stayed unaffected by wi-fi waves, and all the way worse things that can happen during a flight...

Kevin2960 · 10-19-2010, 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by EowynCarter

That was in 1993.... That, as far as technology goes, was a long time ago...
If planes are still affected that way, getting into one is suicide ! You can't count on people switching their devices... Portable devices are way more common than they where back in 1993. And with wi-fi and all, probably can emmit more EM...

YES but Any wire of any kind, with power from any source, that completes a circuit RADIATES, on what frequency or at what power level isn't relevent, Fact is it CAN cause interference, it can block proper operation of any system POSSIBLY ! and that's the point, the potential problem, Do you really want to fly knowing your putting the aircraft at lower level of safety JUST because you DON'T want to switch off for a few minutes at each end of your journey ?

Personally, it won't kill me to wait a few minutes, oh and when I was on an aircraft when one of it's systems failed(Reason Unknown BTW), It landed perfectly safely, BUT again, do you want to ROLL the dice on your next flight ? ..... Not me Thank's !

In the end lets not pretend this is anything to do with human rights, this is "I can't be bothered" and "No one tells me what to do, REGARDLESS ! "
come on people just Switch Off it isn't going to hurt !

EowynCarter · 10-19-2010, 09:17 AM

ok, look at this :

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Electronic devices which intentionally transmit radio signals should never be used for the whole duration of the flight. These include, but are not limited to: radio transceivers, CB radios, cellular phones, and electronic remote control transmitters.

Do : "The whole duration of flight" looks like a few minutes to you ? I'm all willing to switch wi-fi off, buy what about devices that don't have a wi-fi off switch.

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YES but Any wire of any kind, with power from any source, that completes a circuit RADIATES, on what frequency or at what power level isn't relevent, Fact is it CAN cause interference, it can block proper operation of any system POSSIBLY ! and that's the point, the potential problem, Do you really want to fly knowing your putting the aircraft at lower level of safety JUST because you DON'T want to switch off for a few minutes at each end of your journey ?

Point is, planes should be built in order to avoid any potential problem. Actually they are, thing are tested ad nauseum, system doubled to have a backup in case of faillure. They're meant to be resistant to anything and everything, and a few wi-fi waves gets them down ?

jbjb · 10-19-2010, 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by EowynCarter

ok, look at this :

do : "The whole duration of flight" looks like a few minutes to you ?

That restriction is for devices which *intentionally* radiate (wifi, cellphones, bluetooth etc.)

For devices which don't, or those which have a flight-safe mode which turns off their transmitters, the few minutes around take off and landing applies.

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Point is, planes should be built in order to avoid any potential problem. Actually they are, thing are tested ad nauseum, system doubled. They're meant to be resistant to anything and everything, and a few wi-fi wave gets them down ?

The point is that they cannot be *proved* to be immune, and testing is not foolproof in this area. Also, there are documented instances of problems being caused.

People must have great confidence in their intuition if, despite the requirements as laid down after considered thought by experts in the field, they believe their uninformed gut feel carries more weight.

/JB

EowynCarter · 10-19-2010, 09:40 AM

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That restriction is for devices which *intentionally* radiate (wifi, cellphones, bluetooth etc.)

For devices which don't, or those which have a flight-safe mode which turns off their transmitters, the few minutes around take off and landing applies.

What about ds-lite, that don't have a wi-fi off ?
That's trusting people will know how their device works, think about activating plane mode before take off (else the phone will send wi-fi / gsm waves until plane mode is activated...).
And people can't be trusted to do that...

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The point is that they cannot be *proved* to be immune

Guess they are immune enough, or there would be more crashes.

jbjb · 10-19-2010, 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by EowynCarter

Guess they are immune enough, or there would be more crashes.

Faulty reasoning - maybe the lack of crashes is because the rules are in place and at least partially followed.

Note that, while you can't trust *everybody* to turn off their devices, some people will - the rules will still reduce risk without 100% compliance.

/JB

jbjb · 10-19-2010, 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by EowynCarter

What about ds-lite, that don't have a wi-fi off ?

If you can't turn off the WiFi, then don't use it on an aircraft. Blame Nintendo, not the airline.

/JB

EowynCarter · 10-19-2010, 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by jbjb

Faulty reasoning - maybe the lack of crashes is because the rules are in place and at least partially followed.

Note that, while you can't trust *everybody* to turn off their devices, some people will - the rules will still reduce risk without 100% compliance.

/JB

I wonder how many people actuality follow these rules... Breaking them intensionally, or by ignorance...

stsrep · 10-19-2010, 12:05 PM

I travel with my WPDN,Blackberry, etc and always turn them both completely off when the FA makes their announcement to do so.
No biggie.

JSWolf · 10-19-2010, 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by jbjb

If you can't turn off the WiFi, then don't use it on an aircraft. Blame Nintendo, not the airline.

/JB

wifi is not an issue on planes. In fact, some planes do off wifi on board now.

MasterGame · 10-19-2010, 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by JSWolf

wifi is not an issue on planes. In fact, some planes do off wifi on board now.

But not during the take off and landing periods.

jbjb · 10-20-2010, 04:09 AM

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Originally Posted by JSWolf

wifi is not an issue on planes. In fact, some planes do off wifi on board now.

What evidence do you have for the assertion in your first sentence? (Note that your second sentence is not logically sufficient, for many reasons.)

/JB

lene1949 · 10-20-2010, 05:01 AM

Who cares?? Just follow the directions..

I fly to Denmark every couple of years, and 10-15 minutes doesn't matter much on a 35 hour journey.

patrickt · 10-20-2010, 08:04 AM

I hate flying now because of the silly rules but I rather go along with this one.

A certain percentage of passengers are total dickheads. I know, that's shocking. And I personally would not like to sit on the pavement for two hours while the cabin attendants argue with every dickhead who is oh-so-special. Not long ago we had a congressman getting into a snit because the stewardess told him to turn off his cell phone. So, everything electronic, turn it off till we reach altitude.

Hey, I can suffer with that shoppers guide until we get to altitude. I always think I might actually see something I want. I never have but I could.

nursedude · 10-20-2010, 08:18 AM

Exactly.

You and a few hundred other people are basically in a big tube that is constructed of components made by the lowest bidder and maintained by people who are constantly working short staffed and doing everything possible to save a buck.

Turning off an electronic device does not constitute cruel and unusual punishment. Why not just err on the side of caution?

10-19-2010, 08:40 AM	#241
EowynCarter Wizard Posts: 4,337 Karma: 4000000 Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Paris Device: Cybooks; Sony PRS-T1	That was in 1993.... That, as far as technology goes, was a long time ago... If planes are still affected that way, getting into one is suicide ! You can't count on people to switch their devices off... Portable devices are way more common than they where back in 1993. And with wi-fi and all, probably can emit more EM... I really hope planes can stayed unaffected by wi-fi waves, and all the way worse things that can happen during a flight... Last edited by EowynCarter; 10-19-2010 at 09:11 AM.

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stsrep Member Posts: 13 Karma: 10 Join Date: Jun 2010 Device: none	I travel with my WPDN,Blackberry, etc and always turn them both completely off when the FA makes their announcement to do so. No biggie.

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lene1949 Wizard Posts: 1,952 Karma: 213930 Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Middelfart, Denmark Device: Kindle paper white	Who cares?? Just follow the directions.. I fly to Denmark every couple of years, and 10-15 minutes doesn't matter much on a 35 hour journey.

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patrickt Wizard Posts: 1,221 Karma: 8381518 Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Oaxaca, Mexico Device: Paperwhite 4 X 2	I hate flying now because of the silly rules but I rather go along with this one. A certain percentage of passengers are total dickheads. I know, that's shocking. And I personally would not like to sit on the pavement for two hours while the cabin attendants argue with every dickhead who is oh-so-special. Not long ago we had a congressman getting into a snit because the stewardess told him to turn off his cell phone. So, everything electronic, turn it off till we reach altitude. Hey, I can suffer with that shoppers guide until we get to altitude. I always think I might actually see something I want. I never have but I could.

10-20-2010, 08:18 AM	#255
nursedude Zealot Posts: 131 Karma: 17102 Join Date: May 2010 Location: Ontario, Canada Device: Kobo (Original), KT, iPad 1, iPhone 4S, iPad 3rd gen	Exactly. You and a few hundred other people are basically in a big tube that is constructed of components made by the lowest bidder and maintained by people who are constantly working short staffed and doing everything possible to save a buck. Turning off an electronic device does not constitute cruel and unusual punishment. Why not just err on the side of caution?

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