Is Apple betting the farm on the new iPad (iPad3 or iPadHD or ?)?

[monkeyluis]

Originally Posted by afv011

Where did I say that? I'm just righting the wrong in a previous statement. At no point I implied other companies are flawless.

It's just easier to go with that then try to have you see it both ways. Whatever.

[monkeyluis]

Originally Posted by Bilbo1967

Some kind of reasoned argument around why Apple failed to address the issues, or a rebuttal of that allegation if it's not true would have been a better response (imho)

I tried that & said apple did address the issues. A simple google search could provide those instances. See the "android Crisader" badge? Yeah...there's not much more you can say to someone that is fervently against apple. Android "fanboys" are just as hard headed as apple "fanboys". Anyway....that's my "humble opinion".

[SeaKing]

Originally Posted by HansTWN

Andrew H, you forget that Samsung has been seriously held back by the lawsuits -- those are behind them and they have greatly improved their position. They are already selling more smart phones than Apple and are capable of doing the same in the tablet space in about 2 years.

Anyway, Apple's market share went from 75% to 50+ in a year. See you back next year or perhaps around September already.

You are right HansTWN. I expect Samsung to move forward rapidly. I keep thinking of their AMOLED displays I have heard about. I would really like to see one.

But the Apple folks don't have to worry for Samsung will sell them AMOLED screens just like they sell Apple their current IPS screens now.

[afv011]

Originally Posted by monkeyluis

I tried that & said apple did address the issues. A simple google search could provide those instances. See the "android Crisader" badge? Yeah...there's not much more you can say to someone that is fervently against apple. Android "fanboys" are just as hard headed as apple "fanboys". Anyway....that's my "humble opinion".

The issue is not whether they were addressed. You were hinting that apple do a better job than others on release, and I merely pointed out that they were as human as any other company and made mistakes.

There is a difference though; apple have the means to convince some (emphasis on this word), that there is nothing wrong with a flawed device ("you are holding it wrong") or convince some to accept a flawed device in exchange for a piece of rubber worth nothing. I dislike this practice; if you make a mistake, man up and accept it, don't go finding excuses or blaming your customers for "holding it wrong".

[VaporPunk]

Originally Posted by Andrew H.

Believe based on what? Their inferior specs? Higher prices? For all the posts you make slamming Apple users for being morons, you seem to have absolutely.no.knowledge of the actual Apple products you accuse people of being stupid for buying.

Seriously, which tablets do you think have caught up?

And why is it so hard for you to accept that people buy Apple products because they are actually better, and not because they are better marketed?

Again, complete lack of knowledge on your part. The difficulty roughly comparable tablets have competing with the iPad is that they *can't match Apple's price.* They are too expensive. The iPad is cheaper.

I don't know any different way to say that.

Yeah, everyone is going to have to decide for himself about upgrading, and a lot of that will depend on how you use your tablet. But since tablets are basically all screen, that's a pretty important part.

But there are a lot of people who don't have a tablet at all. And if they are interested in a tablet, the iPad is something of a no-brainer.

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Seriously, which tablets do you think have caught up?

As far as display + battery tech, none yet. But the Ipad was released less than a week ago, just a matter of time. In most other categories (RAM, CPU, micro SD port, USB port, HDMI output) the Transformer Prime wins out or is equal. If you add the detachable keyboard of the prime, it even wins on battery life.

The difficulty roughly comparable tablets have competing with the iPad is that they *can't match Apple's price.* They are too expensive. The iPad is cheaper.

The Ipad 32 GB model, wifi only, sells in the UK for 479 pounds. The comparable Transformer Prime costs 499, and comes with the detachable keyboard + all the ports and battery life mentioned above. I assume you can buy proprietary connectors to add the ports to the Ipad, but that would add to the price, no?

Yeah, everyone is going to have to decide for himself about upgrading, and a lot of that will depend on how you use your tablet. But since tablets are basically all screen, that's a pretty important part.

Absolutely. And the display makes me drool.

But there are a lot of people who don't have a tablet at all. And if they are interested in a tablet, the iPad is something of a no-brainer.

The Ipad is a sexy beast, looks great, wonderful performance, and a (relatively speaking) secure OS. Also, if you dl an app its pretty much guaranteed to work. The Android Market loses out to the Apple eco-system as well, its poorly organized and has less tablet-designed apps. But is it a no-brainer to choose the Ipad over all others?
Practically all the best and most popular apps are available in both eco-systems. And with the release of ICS, things can only get better for Android. Seaking started this topic by suggesting that Apple will lose its dominance in the tablet market not this year or the next, but in the foreseeable future. Will it? Who honestly knows for sure? But we can look at the smartphone trend and see that it has happened in the past and there are at least some indicators that it could very much happen again re: tablets. No-brainer it maybe is for now, but for how much longer?

Plus, Windows 8 is coming this year. That could be a real game-changer.

[Prestidigitweeze]

If Jobs were still here, he wouldn't end the conversation with tablets, and Apple's market share would depend not only on upgrades to past bestsellers but innovation in under-explored and overlooked markets. Whatever you think about the iPad, it helped to make tablets palatable in a way that allowed for the later Android models you might prefer.

Even though Jobs is gone, I question the idea that the iPad = Apple's market share, however well this iteration does. The assumption is that his successors won't rise to his conceptual level, but we don't really know that yet. Jobs had good taste in collaborators. Gil Amelio wasn't even his mistake.

Yes, Apple's future is a concern in the sense it fuels national growth. But predictions as to Apple's future are dependent on the level of Apple's future inspiration.

What concerns me more is the precedent of Lion and recent iterations of certain applications. It's Apple's apparent abandonment of professional users that worries me. If they do to Logic Pro what they've done to Final Cut Pro, a lot of bitter film and music people who used to dislike ProTools and Avid will be jumping platforms again.

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(People dismiss Jobs for his temper, egotism and occasional dishonesty, but I always wonder whom they're comparing him to -- some less familiar CEO of a major corporation? Why would anyone assume that the famous are inherently worse human beings than the obscure? This isn't praise for Jobs so much as it is cynicism toward our obscenely imbalanced scales of economic power given the reality of corruption. We try to legislate fairness, only to watch the word be redefined legally by the powerful until it becomes its antonym.)

[drofgnal]

I don't think they've bet the farm, if they did they'd probably win it. See below

http://www.usatoday.com/tech/news/st...63592/1?csp=hf

[HappyMartin]

I wonder how many orders are from people upgrading from 1 or 2 and how many are first time iPad buyers. Also wonder how many are from people moving from Android

[ignacio ferrer]

Originally Posted by HappyMartin

Also wonder how many are from people moving from Android

Probably no one - why should they?

[monkeyluis]

Originally Posted by afv011

The issue is not whether they were addressed. You were hinting that apple do a better job than others on release, and I merely pointed out that they were as human as any other company and made mistakes.

There is a difference though; apple have the means to convince some (emphasis on this word), that there is nothing wrong with a flawed device ("you are holding it wrong") or convince some to accept a flawed device in exchange for a piece of rubber worth nothing. I dislike this practice; if you make a mistake, man up and accept it, don't go finding excuses or blaming your customers for "holding it wrong".

Funny thing is. I don't disagree with you at all. I did point out that they are human & make mistakes. But they still do better than others at release.

[HarryT]

Originally Posted by ignacio ferrer

Probably no one - why should they?

They may wish to have the higher-resolution screen. Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't believe anyone else currently offers that?

[fjtorres]

Originally Posted by HarryT

They may wish to have the higher-resolution screen. Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't believe anyone else currently offers that?

No. And I doubt many will go beyond 1920x1200, mostly because of the aspect ratio issues.

The primary reason Apple went to that specific resolution (beyond specmanship) is that it allows for easy/fast scaling of XGA graphics in games.

BTW, Anandtech has a nice Analysis of the New iPad graphics and how they compare to the competition:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/5663/a...new-apple-ipad

Apple continues to invest heavily in the aspects of its devices that users interact with the most frequently. Spending a significant amount of money on the display makes a lot of sense. Kudos to Apple for pushing the industry forward here. The only downside is supply of these greater-than-HD panels is apparently very limited as a result of Apple buying up most of the production from as many as three different panel vendors. It will be a while before we see Android tablets with comparable resolutions, although we will see 1920 x 1200 Android tablets shipping in this half.

(Bolding is mine.)

[wizwor]

For me, the best thing about LED and 1080p and 3D was the impact on the cost of 2D 720p Plasma televisions. Likewise, my hope is that 'lesser' displays will tamp alternative platform prices.

[monkeyluis]

When the frack can we get some holograms up in here. Lol.

[david_e]

Originally Posted by tubemonkey

I fail to see a purpose for a rear cam on a tablet. Front cam for video chats, yes; but rear cam???

I don't think most would consider using it in situations where you know you want to take pictures (I haven't experimented with it that much) but its perfect for those 'look at this' social media sharing moments. It's even more convenient as most of the social apps have a built in pic button.