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Old 07-22-2011, 10:21 AM   #226
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I'm not paying $25 for a disc, however, but rather the content on the disc (the movie).
No you're not. You're paying for the disk and for a license to watch the content privately. The disk can not be (easily, legally) copied to be watched in more than one place at a time.

There ABSOLUTELY is a difference between physical and digital Copyright law, or else there never would have been a Digital Millennium COPYRIGHT Act to address those difference.

The main (and I think obvious) difference is that physical media is controlled by it's physicality. It's only in one place at a time, so simply saying "you're not allowed to make or distribute copies" is often adequate. The physicality imparted certain limitations that didn't need to be specifically readdressed in copyright law. With digital material, by it's very nature, ANY use --- any download, any transfer -- is inherently a duplication, so it is totally reasonable that the law needs to concern it self with more detailed control of those abilities. Again, I see this as obvious. If you think you should able to resell the LICENSE you have to ebook content, great. I agree. But it has nothing to do with being able to resell a DVD or a paperback or a car. It has to do with us believing that is fair use and value we want, and we want the rules changed to account for it.

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Old 07-22-2011, 10:29 AM   #227
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ApK -- I get what you're saying, but in that case, I agree with whomever it was that said some rewording is needed from Amazon and other sellers.

Instead of sending me an email 'regarding my recent purchase of A Dance with Dragons', they should really be saying, "regarding your recent rental...".

Right? I'm so confused LOL!
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Old 07-22-2011, 10:32 AM   #228
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ApK -- I get what you're saying, but in that case, I agree with whomever it was that said some rewording is needed from Amazon and other sellers.

Instead of sending me an email 'regarding my recent purchase of A Dance with Dragons', they should really be saying, "regarding your recent rental...".

Right? I'm so confused LOL!
No it's not rental. It's buying a specific and different kind of license.

Don't get hung up on the trying to shoehorn the way words are used for one thing to a totally different arena. Don't BUY into that confusion! Note the totally different but equally legitimate use of the word BUY there....
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Old 07-22-2011, 10:41 AM   #229
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ApK - thanks for the explanation. I'm not really all that incensed...my main worry in reading the OP's post and the rest of the thread is that I'll perhaps no longer be able to use ebooks purchased from Amazon on my Nook. And even that isn't an 'omg-it's-the-end-of-the-world-as-we-know-it' moment for me. If it happens, it just means that Amazon will have lost a customer and I doubt they'll even know or care.

BTW...something I've been curious about is the library books for Kindle users. What format will they be in? Are they available yet? Anyone know?
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Old 07-22-2011, 11:45 AM   #230
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Old 07-22-2011, 12:29 PM   #231
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The same for me on two different Laptops, every time I start the app I have to re-register it. I contacted Kindle support and they gave me nothing but useless suggestions so I uninstalled it and installed version 1.4.1
I tried that, and it worked for me too - downgrading from 1.6 to 1.5.1 fixed it.

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Old 07-22-2011, 12:52 PM   #232
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I tried that, and it worked for me to - downgrading from 1.6 to 1.5.1 fixed it.

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I wonder what the difference is? I'm running Win7/64 and K4PC 1.6 and do not have that issue.
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Old 07-22-2011, 01:10 PM   #233
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As for the anti-piracy messages and various warnings, when I backup my collection I copy main movie only and don't have to sit through all that. The backups are definitely unsellable since fer sure I'd have the FBI hot on my trail! I'm resourceful, but not crazy!!!
Why are you sure the FBI would take action on a civil matter? Because of the lies in those messages?
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Why are you sure the FBI would take action on a civil matter? Because of the lies in those messages?
Guess I should have used a 'joke' emoticon. I'm sure the FBI has better things to do than come after an ordinary citizen who doesn't even get parking tickets and obeys laws that haven't even been invented yet! (Although my husband loves to tease me that they're going to do just that!!)
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Guess I should have used a 'joke' emoticon. I'm sure the FBI has better things to do than come after an ordinary citizen who doesn't even get parking tickets and obeys laws that haven't even been invented yet! (Although my husband loves to tease me that they're going to do just that!!)
Sounds to me like you're up to something....
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Why are you sure the FBI would take action on a civil matter? Because of the lies in those messages?
It's not a lie exactly, they do get involved in CRIMINAL copyright infringement as the warning says...they just don't seem to mention that personal copying has nothing to do with that, and it would take some rather extraordinary revenue-generating pirate activity to get into the criminal area....how about we call it FUD and intimidation rather than a lie.
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I know I can delete all copies and never download it again. But it's the fact that I have access to download it after the sale that's the issue.
There is no issue, just don't download it. Having access to a gun doesn't make you a murderer.
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Ta for that. I will grab an older version or two and keep 'em in reserve.

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Go ahead and try it on one of us, it's easy enough to undo, and see how the posts appear. Note, you'll still see the content of an ignored person's posts if they are quoted by someone else.
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You don't see the text in their posts. You still see their avatar (unless you hide it with something like adblock), and you still see a blank post with their name on it in the thread.

And if you're desperate to see what they say in one particular discussion, you can hit the quote-reply and read their post, and then hit the back button.
Thanks. There's no one I want to block (at least not yet ) I was just curious how it worked. May try it out just to see. Now which one of you are the lucky ones.

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Sounds to me like you're up to something....
Of course I am! The DVD warnings make it clear that no 'copying' is allowed even for home use. I can't remember the exact wording, but essentially they're saying that even if you don't want to profit from the copies, making backups of purchased DVDs for personal use is also illegal. I'm guilty. I not only make backups, I'll occasionally convert the ripped files to play on my ereader. Really great for long plane trips.
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