News from Bookeen about firmware upgrade - Page 16

JSWolf · 04-04-2008, 01:00 PM

Basically to count lines/characters, the Gen3 would have to internally render each page to be able to do so. It's going to kill a lot of the battery doing so.

delphidb96 · 04-04-2008, 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by tompe

Why are companies releasing sub standard programs? You have to ask them. I also find it extremely strange that they have not implemented it better since as you say there are a lot of support available for this.

I guess we're going to have to differ on what constitutes "sub-standard". In my opinion, any first-generation hardware/firmware implementation which delivers - I'd say - 80%-85% of the feature set is not "sub-standard". Now if this were a third-generation device with firmware up to Version 5 or 6, I'd be right with you on this.

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My purpose was just to remind about that since you asked about html in prc files. Event if html was not used in prc files the page number thing should work for html files.

You've got a point there. But then, page numbering doesn't work in HTML for web browsers. (At least, not all the time in all web browsers.)

Derek

tompe · 04-04-2008, 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by JSWolf

After seeing the bug in action, I really think Bookeen should do away with goto page as it only inflames people to want to see page numbers which are useless since they don't work. If they worked, then yes, displaying them is a very good idea. But since they are broken, just ignore them.

I think the best think is to call it "position" or something like that and do like FBReader and do not map 1 position to one page forward.

hmls · 04-04-2008, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by tompe

It is most probably because of a corrupt file system that these problems occur. The problem is that nearly all people having these problems seems to be people that do now know so much about computers or are afraid to test things beacause it has been nearly impossible to get somebody with the problem to confirm that the file system is corrupt.

I agree that a corrupt file system makes sense since I have not had the problem since I moved my books to an SD card. If the file system is corrupt, how did it get that way? As I said, this problem cropped up the very first day I used the device. All I did was copy books into the eBook folder and I always ejected the device before unplugging it.

How would you suggest verifying that it is a corrupt file system?

DaleDe · 04-04-2008, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by JSWolf

Basically to count lines/characters, the Gen3 would have to internally render each page to be able to do so. It's going to kill a lot of the battery doing so.

And it would have to rerender each and every page every time you changed fonts, either size or type. In addition it would have to store this data for every page somewhere. Eventually it might have a particular book paginated well enough to read it but it would cost a lot of time and battery power.

The other choice is to map the page number to something that doesn't have to change all the time such as original page in the paper version (no place in the eBook for this data in mobipocket format) or paragraph number or like amazon does - every 128 bytes.

Dale

tompe · 04-04-2008, 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by hmls

How would you suggest verifying that it is a corrupt file system?

In Linux I would run fsck on the file system. There are similar tools for Windows and they are probably named Scandisk, Chkdsk or Fsck. Google on "fsck Windows" and it will give you relevant information.

jgray · 04-04-2008, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by DaleDe

And it would have to rerender each and every page every time you changed fonts, either size or type. In addition it would have to store this data for every page somewhere. Eventually it might have a particular book paginated well enough to read it but it would cost a lot of time and battery power.
Dale

Microsoft manages to do this on PDAs with their LIT reader software, so it is doable on battery powered devices. Admittedly the reader only allows font size changes and not font face. The software does this paging in the background when you load the ebook. The only time you would notice it is if you loaded a very long ebook and immediately tried to jump to some page near the end before the pagination was finished.

HarryT · 04-04-2008, 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by JSWolf

After seeing the bug in action, I really think Bookeen should do away with goto page as it only inflames people to want to see page numbers which are useless since they don't work. If they worked, then yes, displaying them is a very good idea. But since they are broken, just ignore them.

They still provide a useful facility for going to an approximate position in a book. Without the "goto page", for example, there would be no way to go, say, half way through a book without paging through it a page at a time.

ProfJulie · 04-04-2008, 03:40 PM

The goto option works fine on PDF files since PDF files do not dynamically repaginate. It is an option that I use all the time with PDF files I read on the Cybook.

Halk · 04-04-2008, 03:49 PM

Sorry to go back on topic! :P

Harry's original post from Bookeen support said it'd be available the first week in April.

I had assumed that the first week in April would probably end up being next week, seeing as how this one started on the 30th or 31st of March (depending if you believe the week starts on a Sunday or Monday)

I'm not sure what the standard definition of the first week is though.

Is it the first week already, or is that next week?

HarryT · 04-04-2008, 04:35 PM

I assume they mean the first 7 days in April. I'm sort of expecting it to be released on Monday (7th April).

delphidb96 · 04-04-2008, 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by HarryT

I assume they mean the first 7 days in April. I'm sort of expecting it to be released on Monday (7th April).

Sorry, but this is the first week in April. And it should (as in that's what I wish to happen, we've certainly waited long enough and I'm bouncing off the walls in frustration) either be in our hands as of the end of business today, or before the beginning of business on Monday - that would be 'business day' as of Paris, France.

Whether it shows up today, I couldn't begin to predict. It would be nice to have it in the next few hours.

Derek

HarryT · 04-04-2008, 04:44 PM

It's nearly 11pm in Paris. I think you're being a little optimistic expecting it tonight

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delphidb96 · 04-04-2008, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by HarryT

I assume they mean the first 7 days in April. I'm sort of expecting it to be released on Monday (7th April).

I think most people would assume 'the first week' to mean the first period of the calendar mont ending at the first weekend. If we go with the assumption of the exact first seven days, we might as well go with the first seven business days. That would allow Bookeen to fudge until April 9th.

Derek

delphidb96 · 04-04-2008, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by HarryT

It's nearly 11pm in Paris. I think you're being a little optimistic expecting it tonight

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I know. And the walls are looking a tad banged up.

Derek

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04-04-2008, 01:00 PM	#226
JSWolf Resident Curmudgeon Posts: 74,705 Karma: 130140792 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Roslindale, Massachusetts Device: Kobo Libra 2, Kobo Aura H2O, PRS-650, PRS-T1, nook STR, PW3	Basically to count lines/characters, the Gen3 would have to internally render each page to be able to do so. It's going to kill a lot of the battery doing so.

04-04-2008, 03:40 PM	#234
ProfJulie Evangelist Posts: 423 Karma: 890 Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: USA Device: whatever	The goto option works fine on PDF files since PDF files do not dynamically repaginate. It is an option that I use all the time with PDF files I read on the Cybook.

04-04-2008, 03:49 PM	#235
Halk Fanatic Posts: 536 Karma: 469999 Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Scotland Device: Sony PRS-650 (PRS+ alpha - thanks Kartu!)	Sorry to go back on topic! :P Harry's original post from Bookeen support said it'd be available the first week in April. I had assumed that the first week in April would probably end up being next week, seeing as how this one started on the 30th or 31st of March (depending if you believe the week starts on a Sunday or Monday) I'm not sure what the standard definition of the first week is though. Is it the first week already, or is that next week?

04-04-2008, 04:35 PM	#236
HarryT eBook Enthusiast Posts: 85,544 Karma: 93383043 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: UK Device: Kindle Oasis 2, iPad Pro 10.5", iPhone 6	I assume they mean the first 7 days in April. I'm sort of expecting it to be released on Monday (7th April).

04-04-2008, 04:44 PM	#238
HarryT eBook Enthusiast Posts: 85,544 Karma: 93383043 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: UK Device: Kindle Oasis 2, iPad Pro 10.5", iPhone 6	It's nearly 11pm in Paris. I think you're being a little optimistic expecting it tonight .

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