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Mistyfarm · 05-29-2019, 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by darryl

I doubt very much that it relies on the page you happen to be on at the time the book is returned.

You doubt …. or you know?

Link no1 on my #190

https://www.amazon.com.au/gp/help/cu...deId=202002080

3. General
a. Information Received. The Software will provide Amazon with information about use of your Amazon Device and its interaction with Digital Content and the Services (such as last page read, ……….

You are now officially and irrefutably a “timewaster”.

Deskisamess · 05-29-2019, 10:31 AM

He didn't say Amazon doesn't know the last page read info. He did say he doubts this info is relied upon as the only info for pages read.

He did say he "...doubt very much that it relies on the page you happen to be on at the time the book is returned."

SleepyBob · 05-29-2019, 01:08 PM

Last page read is a metric that Amazon stores, and it uses that to set your place when you open the book on another device. So it gets used quite independently from anything related to KU.

ilovejedd · 05-29-2019, 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by SleepyBob

Last page read is a metric that Amazon stores, and it uses that to set your place when you open the book on another device. So it gets used quite independently from anything related to KU.

Last position read is stored in a .mbs/.azw3f/.yjf file inside the .sdr folder.

This file also appears to store metrics on reading sessions, average time spent on a page, page outliers (too long or too short a time spent on a page), etc. so I wouldn't be surprised if Amazon actually does use the same file as a basis for calculating KU page read counts.

JSWolf · 05-29-2019, 01:55 PM

What does Amazon do to pay the author when a KU book is downloaded to a Kindle that has the WiFi off while that book is being read? So the next time WiFi is on, the book has been read and deleted.

Deskisamess · 05-29-2019, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by JSWolf

What does Amazon do to pay the author when a KU book is downloaded to a Kindle that has the WiFi off while that book is being read? So the next time WiFi is on, the book has been read and deleted.

The info is kept on the device, correct? Wouldn't that info be transmitted to Amazon when the device was connected to WiFi?

I know there are users who never connect to WiFi, but aren't they they exception to the rule, and not the norm?

ilovejedd · 05-29-2019, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Deskisamess

The info is kept on the device, correct? Wouldn't that info be transmitted to Amazon when the device was connected to WiFi?

I know there are users who never connect to WiFi, but aren't they they exception to the rule, and not the norm?

For books downloaded from Amazon, the .sdr folder is deleted when you delete the book.

Granted, I've never actually bothered monitoring if the .sdr folder still gets deleted when the device is on airplane mode. It's possible that the Kindle waits until it's connected to the internet so it can upload reading progress before deleting the sidecar files. Either that or there's an extra copy of the data stored on a database on the Kindle. Data's like super tiny anyway (less than 500 bytes).

JSWolf · 05-29-2019, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Deskisamess

The info is kept on the device, correct? Wouldn't that info be transmitted to Amazon when the device was connected to WiFi?

I know there are users who never connect to WiFi, but aren't they they exception to the rule, and not the norm?

I don't know. That's why I asked.

DuckieTigger · 05-29-2019, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by JSWolf

What does Amazon do to pay the author when a KU book is downloaded to a Kindle that has the WiFi off while that book is being read? So the next time WiFi is on, the book has been read and deleted.

Newest FW does have the read status. That may stay alive after deleting. Since it is possible to download the book and transfer via USB, if that Kindle never goes online, Amazon cannot know. To avoid anything like that, I always make sure to download it directly to the Kindle and return it from there.

DNSB · 05-29-2019, 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by darryl

Full marks for persistence. How on earth did you manage to count the exact numbers of books you went through in this way, when the OP could (or would) not?

Very old fashioned since I knew I wanted to keep track of the number of books so I just did the 4 vertical lines with a cross-stroke for the 5th. Count the number of blocks, multiply by 5 and bob's your uncle. In this case, I was working on the 75th block when I gave up since it was getting more boring than watching the network monitoring screens.

DNSB · 05-29-2019, 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by DNSB

All I can say is those 374 randomly selected books made it very easy to believe that KU nothing more than a massive slush pile full of copycats.

See The shocking truth about the slush pile.

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Originally Posted by DuckieTigger

I have the impression that it depends on your motives. If you want your bias confirmed then it will be easy to do so. If at first you don't succeed, change your strategy until you can find the confirmation to the answer you already had. Picking books at random is the worst possible strategy, IMHO. If I were to pick random traditionally published books from the whole list (not just the few front list books), then there be plenty books coming my way I have no interest in reading.

With the right strategy, you can do anything as seen here:

Ummm... given that about half the books I downloaded and started reading gave me the impression that they were created from a template. This was very noticeable in genre fiction where I began to get the impression the authors were subscribing to a template of the month club (this month the fiction templates of the month club is proud to bring you a romance template with vampire/shifter halfbreeds, a science fiction template with a military background and female commanding officers, a fantasy template featuring magic academies, etc.).

As for the content, spellchecking is a lost art, grammar has been left in the dustbin, misused homonyms are doing very well and and anachronisms are making a strong comeback. It made me long for an editor with a well sharpened pencil.

DNSB · 05-29-2019, 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by darryl

Your excuses for not providing the numbers are patently ridiculous and I doubt many of us believe them. My conclusion is that the number of books you "borrowed" was so high as to detract from the case you were trying to make. Now we are at 384 without attracting a ban similar to yours.

I hate to point this out but I was doing this to find out if I could trigger a ban so I kept track of the numbers. And it was 374, not 384 but who's counting.

leebase · 05-29-2019, 11:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Mistyfarm

What narked me was they summarily blocked my KU without any notice or followup to see if my account had been hacked. But without any problem promptly processing and debiting my purchases. So my account wasn’t suspended, I’d just been specifically locked out of KU with active support tickets still unresolved.

That’s why I’m pussed (my NZ accent here)

Alright, I finally agree with you. When someone has a long track record as a good customer, there should be some outreach or at least a warning. So while I don’t disagree with Amazons fraud checking, I do agree that their customer support in these cases could be greatly improved.

Atunah · 06-01-2019, 09:45 PM

Its very easy to tell the total number of Ku borrows you taken out. Takes a couple of clicks in "my account". My account and devices put the left drop down to kindle unlimited and the one to the right to returned. Bam. It gives you a total number showing as 1-whatever number. That is it. Very simple.
It has kept up with my borrows from the moment I subscribed, when I cancelled and re-subscribed. It kept all the numbers and books in my account.

DNSB · 06-02-2019, 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Atunah

Its very easy to tell the total number of Ku borrows you taken out. Takes a couple of clicks in "my account". My account and devices put the left drop down to kindle unlimited and the one to the right to returned. Bam. It gives you a total number showing as 1-whatever number. That is it. Very simple.
It has kept up with my borrows from the moment I subscribed, when I cancelled and re-subscribed. It kept all the numbers and books in my account.

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05-29-2019, 10:31 AM	#212
Deskisamess Wizard Posts: 2,757 Karma: 45827597 Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Ohio Device: iPhone 13 Pro, iPad mini, iPad Pro 12.9",Paperwhite 6.8", Scribe 2022	He didn't say Amazon doesn't know the last page read info. He did say he doubts this info is relied upon as the only info for pages read. He did say he "...doubt very much that it relies on the page you happen to be on at the time the book is returned."

05-29-2019, 01:08 PM	#213
SleepyBob Evangelist Posts: 426 Karma: 8522810 Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Wisconsin, USA Device: Kindle PW3	Last page read is a metric that Amazon stores, and it uses that to set your place when you open the book on another device. So it gets used quite independently from anything related to KU.

05-29-2019, 01:55 PM	#215
JSWolf Resident Curmudgeon Posts: 79,792 Karma: 146391129 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Roslindale, Massachusetts Device: Kobo Libra 2, Kobo Aura H2O, PRS-650, PRS-T1, nook STR, PW3	What does Amazon do to pay the author when a KU book is downloaded to a Kindle that has the WiFi off while that book is being read? So the next time WiFi is on, the book has been read and deleted.

06-01-2019, 09:45 PM	#224
Atunah Wizard Posts: 1,817 Karma: 23400001 Join Date: May 2012 Location: USA Device: K1/K3/BasicK Voyage/Oasis1/Oasis3	Its very easy to tell the total number of Ku borrows you taken out. Takes a couple of clicks in "my account". My account and devices put the left drop down to kindle unlimited and the one to the right to returned. Bam. It gives you a total number showing as 1-whatever number. That is it. Very simple. It has kept up with my borrows from the moment I subscribed, when I cancelled and re-subscribed. It kept all the numbers and books in my account.

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