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In classical music, at least, there is less and less recording, and orchestras are hurting. There may be cultural reasons why some kind of music is healthier than others at any given time. But, overall, music revenue, in the internet era, is way down. Also heavily hit by the availability of free electronic content are newspapers. Newspapers may be a better indication of where publishing is going than music, because they both involve reading. It's true that news gathering organizations are giving away their content, rather than having it involuntarily taken from them without payment. It's also true that giving away your possessions has the same economic effect as someone taking them against your will. I still call the latter stealing. Quote:
And I think it quite possible, even probable, that jewel thieves spend more money on legitimate jewelry store purchases than the average person. All this shows is that thieves buy stuff they are interested in, and aren't thieves all the time. It has nothing to do with whether or not they are thieves. If they weren't thieves, they would, on average, buy more. No one is perfect. Most people may have been thieves at some point in their lives. But it's wrong, and we should discourage it. Last edited by SteveEisenberg; 12-08-2011 at 10:57 PM. |
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The Swiss government, in her infinite wisdom (grin) has decided that the damage for content creators on average will probably be negligible. It seems that even though the entertainment industry has tried to lobby the government, they have not done so successfully, or at least they have not been able to convince the Swiss officials that the astronomical losses they generally fling around can be substantiated. From my personal perspective, I indeed don't see why it would hurt authors (who we care about most, here). I tend to spend around $1000 on books in an average year. That's shared between new paper, used paper books and electronic books. Since I work within a community that does not speak German natively, English books are being circulated among colleagues constantly. Generally, that's paper books, but since several of us have more than one eReader, electronic books circulate as well by simple exchange of eReaders. If instead of borrowing my eReader to a colleague, I refer him to a downloadable copy I do not quite see the big difference. The only authors that will get hurt (and actually are being hurt due to the current exchange of paper books) are those authors that write books I do not enjoy. If I enjoy a book, I am likely to purchase other books written by that particular author. A recent example is Bill Bryson -- a collegue bought the hardback version of A Short History of Nearly Everything. After a couple of people read and enjoyed it, we currently have two paper and one electronic version of At Home. So, for those trying to tell my that downloading a book is unlawful and unethical I can say that, 'No' it is not unlawful here and ethically I can live with it very well. |
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Because he said so. His argument ("after only 10 books I have my ROI") wasn't about an initial download of 10 books and stopping then. His argument was about maybe not having to buy books ever again. Last edited by mgmueller; 12-09-2011 at 04:30 AM. |
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Because pretending it is anything other than copyright infringement always leads to 10 pages of oh yes it is oh no it isn't crap to wade through. It's pointless and it's counter productive. Even if you almost managed to change someone's mind with mental images of fields full of starving writers covered in flies, as soon as you bring up the theft word you lose them again. |
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![]() http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2011/...ammed-critics/ "It sounds like legalized murder to me," said one senior music veteran. |
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There's a fun example here about the results (in the U.S.) about what happens when you don't balance the rights of content producers against that of the public.
Essentially, the US government, with no notice or warning, seized a blog’s domain (and put a page up on the domain indicating that the blog was associated with piracy). The government never arrested anyone, never let a trial happen, and filed everything about the case under seal, not even letting the blog's lawyers talk to the judge presiding over the case. And it continued to deny any due process at all for over a year, before finally just releasing the domain to the blogger and pretending nothing happened. The blog had nothing to do with piracy, but did have a similar domain name to sites that did and was caught up in an ICE sweep. It's actually a very interesting case as the government was permitted to get multiple extensions from court without having to serve notice on the defendant's lawyers. |
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It's still just hiding behind the dictionary. "See, I'm not doing anything wrong. The dictionary says it isn't stealing." Even though everyone knows full well that it is. You're taking something that doesn't belong to you, and depriving the owner of something. That's stealing to any right thinking person regardless of how it's defined in the criminal code. Last edited by carld; 12-09-2011 at 11:01 AM. |
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And I've repeatedly said that piracy doesn't fit the legal or dictionary definition of theft. That doesn't mean that in the real world that you're not stealing from the content creator when you download his work without paying for it.
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I'll repeat it as long as it take for pro-piracy people to admit that what's going on is stealing, because it is.
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