Windows 10 - free upgrade to those with PC using Windows 7 or 8

[eschwartz]

Originally Posted by AnotherCat

Apk:

Thank you for your responses, as their nature confirms to me in a clear and succinct manner my suspicions about the inability of some to knowledgeably contribute to discussion.

Yeah, that'll show him. Because there is no way whatsoever that he thinks the same thing about you.

I fail to see what the fluidity of data has even tangentially to do with Microsoft's telemetry.
I am quite fond of fluidity of data, as it happens. But I certainly didn't need Microsoft to supply me with that with Windows 10 (and as I'm sure you know, it would be sad if I did, since I don't actually use anything Microsoft and therefore wouldn't be able to do it).


@DuckieTigger,

I still don't see what that has to do with what I said.
But if we are going to wander all over the place anyway, how about this: you suggested others emulate me, and don't use Windows.
Did you not see how I already preempted and answered that?

...

I am fine with Google et al. doing it -- you can trivially opt out and use, say, DuckDuckGo.
How do you opt out of a pre-installed, heavily controlled market, that **forcibly** upgrades you to Windows 10?
Not everyone who cares, has the skills to install a new operating system.

[DuckieTigger]

@eschwartz: You can opt out of Google & friends? How do you propose to navigate the web without search engines that are advertising companies as well? Dependence on search engines is just as real as dependence on Windows for most everybody.

[eschwartz]

Originally Posted by DuckieTigger

@eschwartz: You can opt out of Google & friends? How do you propose to navigate the web without search engines that are advertising companies as well?

This is how I know that you didn't actually read my post.

Read it, and you will find out.

[Freeshadow]

@ eschwartz
Your tl;dr exactly. Especially as they (MS) first said that the sniffing is essential for maintaining functionality and thus not to be completely turned off but THEN said, enterprise customers will be able to do just that. If pro customers can live without then it's everything but not essential. I already thought it's fishy when I read that even pirated copies will be updated.
TANSTAAFL. It's far beyond fishy. They could run a 'sponsored by SeaLife' banner. As someone already said (afair regarding FB and such): "People receiving services in exchange for their data are not a company's customers, they are livestock." That's why they try to shove that 'update' down everybody's and his brother's throat. MS is turning the Windows user base into livestock.
An operating system should be just that.

[Fluribus]

Originally Posted by DuckieTigger

Win10 is meant to be run on each and every device you own. Just so everything runs and looks the same.

There is no chance that Windows will ever be running on every device I own. I don't need everything looking the same. I don't want everything running the same. If Microsoft pushes that too far, they are more likely to find me switching to Mac or Linux than picking up a Windows phone.

[eschwartz]

Originally Posted by Fluribus

There is no chance that Windows will ever be running on every device I own. I don't need everything looking the same. I don't want everything running the same. If Microsoft pushes that too far, they are more likely to find me switching to Mac or Linux than picking up a Windows phone.

Don't worry, it's never happening anyway.
I don't think even Microsoft believes the Windows phone will get very far.


I am pretty sure their homogenization is limited to desktops and laptop/tablets

[Fluribus]

Originally Posted by eschwartz

Don't worry, it's never happening anyway.
I don't think even Microsoft believes the Windows phone will get very far.

That purplish hat you're wearing looks very much like a wizard's hat. Shouldn't you have a little more faith in magic?

[eschwartz]

Originally Posted by Fluribus

That purplish hat you're wearing looks very much like a wizard's hat. Shouldn't you have a little more faith in magic?

Uhmmm, that requires a lot more than just magic...

Anyway, it is ("should" be a) well-known fact that even magic has rules, though granted you get to play with a set of rules that are a lot higher up in the grand scheme of things.

[DuckieTigger]

Originally Posted by eschwartz

This is how I know that you didn't actually read my post.

Read it, and you will find out.

This post doesn't make any sense.

You are avoiding the question.

You are refering to "people that care about privacy don't always know how to install a different OS?"

There is no difference in difficulty for majority of people to opt out of a OS or a search engine's unwanted data collection.

[MikeB1972]

Originally Posted by DuckieTigger

This post doesn't make any sense.

You are avoiding the question.

You are refering to "people that care about privacy don't always know how to install a different OS?"

There is no difference in difficulty for majority of people to opt out of a OS or a search engine's unwanted data collection.

eschwartz did say that if you don't want to use google then use a different search engine that doesn't track you, in fact he specifically mentioned DuckDucKGo, not quite sure what else you are after.

In the main I agree with him, an OS stored on My computer in My house shouldn't automatically try and grab data from me. After removing the cloud synch and turning off all the available data grab options I was very surprised to find out that half of them had turned back on after a forced update.

[Greg Anos]

Originally Posted by DuckieTigger

This post doesn't make any sense.

You are avoiding the question.

You are refering to "people that care about privacy don't always know how to install a different OS?"

There is no difference in difficulty for majority of people to opt out of a OS or a search engine's unwanted data collection.

DT the point being made is as follows:

It's a whole lot easier to to invoke a different search engine, (a la key in a web address) than to install a different operating system, and reacquire software (at app level), and learn the new software's quirks.

Otherwise you are an unpaid beta tester for Microsoft, for the benefit of their corporate customers, for the rest of your life.

It's ok, if that's what you want to be. (There are lots of voluntary beta testers out there, but they are voluntary, not dragooned into it.) But everybody ought to be aware of what they are, and quite frankly, be given a choice of not being a beta tester, even if that is a extra cost option.

OTOH, I'm just an old dinosaur. . .

[eschwartz]

Originally Posted by MikeB1972

eschwartz did say that if you don't want to use google then use a different search engine that doesn't track you, in fact he specifically mentioned DuckDucKGo, not quite sure what else you are after.

Please, let's not be reasonable.

@DuckieTigger, perhaps it is clearer now that I edited my post to remove the last sentence from the quote -- rather than including the whole paragraph by default.
Mind you, I am still not sure why it must be so confusing to grasp what I mean the first time around...
Can't see the forest for the trees, perhaps?

[wodin]

Originally Posted by eschwartz

... I don't actually use anything Microsoft...

Are we to infer from that that the only reason you are actually participating in this thread is to enlighten us unwashed masses?

[Katsunami]

Originally Posted by AnotherCat

Perhaps the complainers should try reading Microsoft's very extensive and detailed Privacy Statement. It is on their web site.

It sets out in considerable detail what is collected and how it is used for each of its products...

Most people don't care. Explanations don't make it right.

The people complaining want only one thing: a switch called "Turn off data collection", which turns off *ALL* data collecting capabilities.

And no, switching to a different operating system is not an option for most people. Apple basically does the same thing (but to a lesser extent), and Linux is not an alternative for many.

Even Windows 8.1 and 7 are retro-fitted with reporting capabilities and telemetry, by the way.

[AnotherCat]

Originally Posted by eschwartz

Yeah, that'll show him. Because there is no way whatsoever that he thinks the same thing about you. .

Probably, perhaps even certainly, does . But I choose my friends and without exception they generally limit themselves to pontification on things they actually know something about, and can write sentences that are mature and make sense while doing so. Like you perhaps, but maybe that is not reciprocal either?

Besides, how can anyone still on a 1930's pulse dialing phone and modem connected through plugs at a manual exchange be anything but behind the times (refer the "Hello? Hello? <tap tap> Is this thing on?") [/QUOTE]

Originally Posted by eschwartz

But I certainly didn't need Microsoft to supply me with that with Windows 10 (and as I'm sure you know, it would be sad if I did, since I don't actually use anything Microsoft and therefore wouldn't be able to do it).

Personally I don't know what market research Microsoft are relying upon for their decisions regarding this. But I suspect they have gone further in their research than using your own specific personal needs as defining; after all, if they were to have relied on those, your lack of use for anything Microsoft would mean that they would have gotten out of the IT business long ago .