Kindle for PC is there

[DawnFalcon]

Originally Posted by Prospect

Tax or no-tax, what is impressive is that Amazon seems to have gotten the DRM right. The software has been out for a week and the DRM is still not cracked.

Since when was that a measure of success? (Oh, and AZW has been cracked for a long time...)

[wallflower75]

Originally Posted by DawnFalcon

Since when was that a measure of success? (Oh, and AZW has been cracked for a long time...)

Not for those of us who just have Kindle for PC. We don't have a definite PID number to use.

[delphidb96]

Originally Posted by EowynCarter

And in the meantime, there lossing sales because some won't buy until they can de-drm No point in books i can only read on PC.

Thank goodness I have an iPod Touch! With that, Kindle for iPhone and a copy of iTunes on my PC, *I* am able to generate a valid PID for use with those de-DRMing apps.

Derek

[delphidb96]

Originally Posted by wallflower75

Not for those of us who just have Kindle for PC. We don't have a definite PID number to use.

Do you have an iPod Touch (one that can run the 2.2x version of the OS?) or an iPhone? Then put Kindle for iPhone on it and you'll be able to retrieve the information through iTunes on your PC.

Derek

[wallflower75]

Originally Posted by delphidb96

Do you have an iPod Touch (one that can run the 2.2x version of the OS?) or an iPhone? Then put Kindle for iPhone on it and you'll be able to retrieve the information through iTunes on your PC.

Derek

Not yet. An iPod touch is on my Christmas list, and if I don't get it, then I'll probably get an iPhone.

(Although my friend just got an iPod touch...hmm...she's a pretty good friend...maybe she'll let me borrow hers for a little 'experiment'.)

[Liviu_5]

Originally Posted by delphidb96

Do you have an iPod Touch (one that can run the 2.2x version of the OS?) or an iPhone? Then put Kindle for iPhone on it and you'll be able to retrieve the information through iTunes on your PC.

Derek

The Kindle pid of the Kindle PC does not need to be the Kindle PID of the Kindle Itouch

[JSWolf]

Originally Posted by luqmaninbmore

Because the DRM is the least onerous there is? I'm having problems with my Adobe account running out of activation slots. This is a non-issue with eReader. On the vast majority of books that I've purchased, the graphical limitations are irrelevant. The only one I can think of that annoyed me was my copy of the Children of Huirin which had an annoyingly pixelated map (the Way of Shadows was a bit annoying too). But with a 5 percent cheaper price when I pick eReader from ficitonwise, I'm willing to live with it.

Luqman

I've setup ADE on two different computers (two different accounts) without an issue whatsoever. What I don't like about eReader is the formatting used on most eReader eBooks plus the size and/or quality of the graphics. I'm not saying any other format is perfect. Far from it. There is no perfect format. There could be if the reading software supported things like fonts, margins, line & paragraph spacing, widow/orphans, & hyphenation. None do all that. And a lot of what I mentioned are controlled by the eBook's settings.

One of the reasons I like ePub is that I can strip the DRM and without having to decompile, I can make the changes I want. Then when I am finished, I can the use that ePub to read the book. Plus, with the ePub sorted, Calibre can then convert into some other format if I so choose and I should get a nice version.

[delphidb96]

Originally Posted by Liviu_5

The Kindle pid of the Kindle PC does not need to be the Kindle PID of the Kindle Itouch

I have found that the Kindle ebook I purchased on Thursday for my Kindle for PC account is ALSO readable on my Kindle for iPhone and when I ran it through the various de-DRMing routines, its DRM was removed. So, yes, if you have a Kindle4iPhone (on your iPhone/iPodTouch) *and* a Kindle4PC account *and* a desktop iTunes account on the desktop system that you have your DRM-removal tools, you'll be able to decrypt your K4PC ebooks. (Assuming of course that the ebook you purchased is NOT in Topaz format.)

Derek

[Liviu_5]

Originally Posted by delphidb96

I have found that the Kindle ebook I purchased on Thursday for my Kindle for PC account is ALSO readable on my Kindle for iPhone and when I ran it through the various de-DRMing routines, its DRM was removed. So, yes, if you have a Kindle4iPhone (on your iPhone/iPodTouch) *and* a Kindle4PC account *and* a desktop iTunes account on the desktop system that you have your DRM-removal tools, you'll be able to decrypt your K4PC ebooks. (Assuming of course that the ebook you purchased is NOT in Topaz format.)

Derek

When you buy a Kindle book it's irrelevant if you buy for PC, Kindle, ITouch since you can send it to all up to whatever number of devices (3 are covered for sure); the issue is which PID you would use with each copy; of course the Touch pid works with the Touch copy, the question is what works with the pC copy

[wallcraft]

Originally Posted by Liviu_5

of course the Touch pid works with the Touch copy, the question is what works with the pC copy

There is room to be skeptical, but delphidb96 is saying that the Touch PID also works on the K4PC ebooks.

The best confirmation would be for someone else with an iPhone or Touch to strip the DRM from a .prc file in My Documents\My Kindle Content using the PID from their iPhone or Touch.

Note that this would not conclusively confirm that the K4PC PID is the same as the iPhone. An alternative explanation is that both the K4PC PID and the Touch PID are in the AZW ebook. However, previous AZW ebooks only seemed to contain one PID.

[HansTWN]

Originally Posted by wallcraft

There is room to be skeptical, but delphidb96 is saying that the Touch PID also works on the K4PC ebooks.

The best confirmation would be for someone else with an iPhone or Touch to strip the DRM from a .prc file in My Documents\My Kindle Content using the PID from their iPhone or Touch.

Note that this would not conclusively confirm that the K4PC PID is the same as the iPhone. An alternative explanation is that both the K4PC PID and the Touch PID are in the AZW ebook. However, previous AZW ebooks only seemed to contain one PID.

Somebody said before it doesn't work. My guess is delphi set the "1-click buy" to iphone. That way the kindle ID is set to the iphone's ID.

[sianon]

I purchased a book today which I downloaded to my PC and transferred to Kindle via USB. The file that is located on my PC will not open in Kindle4PC, no issues opening on the kindle.
Opens in Kindle4PC when downloaded through the application.

[DawnFalcon]

So there's even an actual difference in the downloaded books. Facepalm.

[zacheryjensen]

Originally Posted by wallcraft

There is room to be skeptical, but delphidb96 is saying that the Touch PID also works on the K4PC ebooks.

The best confirmation would be for someone else with an iPhone or Touch to strip the DRM from a .prc file in My Documents\My Kindle Content using the PID from their iPhone or Touch.

Note that this would not conclusively confirm that the K4PC PID is the same as the iPhone. An alternative explanation is that both the K4PC PID and the Touch PID are in the AZW ebook. However, previous AZW ebooks only seemed to contain one PID.

I can assure you with absolute certainty as an owner of Kindle 2, Kindle for iPhone, and Kindle for PC, none of those three share the same PID. I have successfully ripped DRM from Kindle 2 and Kindle for iPhone using their respective PIDs. The same books from the Kindle for PC can not be decrypted with the PID from either Kindle 2 or Kindle for iPhone.

And yes, this had already been established (and, as a matter of logic, should not be surprising.)

The fact is, every entity registered into the Kindle system, the listing you can see when you go to the site to "Manage Kindle," represents a unique encryption target and, assuming they all use the same type of encryption (no special reason this would be required, even within the mobi basic file format,) they'll all have unique PIDs too.

The only thing close to an overlap is the direct download link from your "owned" books listing which is intended for manually loading books onto a Kindle/Kindle 2 and I would imagine that if you had multiple standard Kindles on your account that link would be duplicated for each one.

[Blue Tyson]

Originally Posted by DawnFalcon

Since when was that a measure of success? (Oh, and AZW has been cracked for a long time...)

It is a success if you count success as 'paying money for something that will guarantee you make much less money in the long run.'