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Old 03-03-2010, 09:05 PM   #196
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Don't feel bad, I've tried to read it three times in the last three decades and have never been able to finish the trilogy. I find it so tedious and boring that I put it down and never pick it up again.
The Two Towers is a serious bog, but if you wade through it the payoff will be there in the end. One thing about the movie adaptations that I really appreciated was the fact that war movies are much more enjoyable for me to watch, than war books are to read.
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Anything Laurell K. Hamilton has written after "Obsidian Butterfly" in her Anita Blake series.
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Old 03-03-2010, 11:37 PM   #198
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Anything Laurell K. Hamilton has written after "Obsidian Butterfly" in her Anita Blake series.
I tried to read the first Anita Blake when my daughter was reading them. It was a non-starter.

On the other hand, I just read my first Patricia Brigs and it was great. I don't recall the title, but it was the second in her Alpha and Omega series.
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When and where did you try to get them? I don't think they are in print in the US. Norman did the first 6 or so for Ballantine books, then shifted to DAW Books when Don Wollhiem was still alive. He got dropped by DAW after Don's daughter Betsy took over upon his death. Norman claims his sales were fine, thank you, and blames getting dropped on Betsy and editor Sheila Gilbert, who objected to the female slavery motif. They were picked up some years back by a US porn publisher called Masquerade Press, but that no longer exists.

Schmitz had a gentle and wry humor, and a lively sense of the absurd. Russell might have been able to do it, though I get a different feel from his work and I'm not sure he'd have quite the right fit.

I don't really see Christopher Anvil fitting either, though I think I see why you do.

Sadly, Schmitz had completed a sequel to _The Witches of Karres_, but the manuscript was lost in a move.
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If there was a bundle of the first 5 Xanth books then I would do it, I have not yet tried and I am irritated by the geographic restrictions I have encountered so far at Fictionwise. Baen Books has been great as there are no such restrictions.

Fictionwise sells the Gor books. I think there is a bundle deal of the first 16 books, if deal is the right word. I attempted to purchase the first book last week.
https://www.fictionwise.com/ebooks/p3/E-Reads/? this is a link to blurb about the publisher.

Trying to fill Schmitz's shoes is a tall order and I think they have done a good job, just the humour is not up to the same standard. I have just finished Sorceress of Karres and I liked it. I hope there is a couple more in the pipeline. A schmitz sequel would be wonderful of course.

I am about to start an Anvil book tonight so we shall see I guess.

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Ok. I have read the Anvil book and I have to agree with your earlier sentiment.

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Fictionwise is not for us Aussies!

I don't visit Fictionwise any more. You spend ages looking at the catalogue, then find the stuff you want isn't available to Australia. It is too frustrating. At least Audible doesn't show you the stuff you can't have.

A recent radio program was discussing this and some one was brave enough to say "No wonder people do illegal downloads." There was also some one who said it should be sorted in a few months. Buying is believing.

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[QUOTE=clockworkzombie;815357]If there was a bundle of the first 5 Xanth books then I would do it, I have not yet tried and I am irritated by the geographic restrictions I have encountered so far at Fictionwise. Baen Books has been great as there are no such restrictions.

Fictionwise sells the Gor books. I think there is a bundle deal of the first 16 books, if deal is the right word. I attempted to purchase the first book last week.
https://www.fictionwise.com/ebooks/p3/E-Reads/? this is a link to blurb about the publisher.
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Old 03-05-2010, 11:00 AM   #202
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If there was a bundle of the first 5 Xanth books then I would do it, I have not yet tried and I am irritated by the geographic restrictions I have encountered so far at Fictionwise. Baen Books has been great as there are no such restrictions.
Fictionwise is a retailer, reselling books from publishers. Baen is a publisher. The restrictions Fictionwise imposes are those imposed by the publishers whose books they resell, and the publisher restrictions are there because publishers buy rights to publish books in particular geographic areas. Outside the publisher's area, the book may well be under contract to a different publisher entirely, who will unleash the attack lawyers if their territorial toes are stepped on.

Retailers make money selling things, so I'm sure Fictionwise would like to sell you the books. They aren't allowed to, but that's not their idea or fault.

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Fictionwise sells the Gor books. I think there is a bundle deal of the first 16 books, if deal is the right word. I attempted to purchase the first book last week.
https://www.fictionwise.com/ebooks/p3/E-Reads/? this is a link to blurb about the publisher.
That URL fails here, with an IIS error. Going directly to Fictionwise and searching for John Norman, I see links to bundles of Gor books 1-16 and 17-26, both both links point to non-existent pages. For whatever reason, it appears the Gor books are not currently available from Fictionwise.

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Trying to fill Schmitz's shoes is a tall order and I think they have done a good job, just the humour is not up to the same standard. I have just finished Sorceress of Karres and I liked it. I hope there is a couple more in the pipeline. A schmitz sequel would be wonderful of course.
I'll get around to Wizard at some point. I have it here, but have a high enough regard for the original that I rather expect to be disappointed in the sequel by other hands.

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I am about to start an Anvil book tonight so we shall see I guess.

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Ok. I have read the Anvil book and I have to agree with your earlier sentiment.
I like Anvil's work, and have been rereading the Interstellar Patrol stories courtesy of Baen's re-issues. But there are many different strains of humor, from the pun to the pratfall, and you can't normally substitute one for the other.

L. Sprague de Camp did an assortment of humorous fantasy in collaboration with Fletcher Pratt. He did an essay for a critical anthology on writing humorous fantasy. It largely failed, because you can analyze and explain the technical aspects of constructing a story, but you can't tell someone how to be funny.
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The Two Towers is a serious bog, but if you wade through it the payoff will be there in the end. One thing about the movie adaptations that I really appreciated was the fact that war movies are much more enjoyable for me to watch, than war books are to read.
I appreciate The Two Towers much more these days than I used to. In rereads in earlier years, I'd fast-forward through the sequ8ences in the Dead Marshes. They were too creepy. More recently, I've come to appreciate them. Making something that creepy takes craft, and I admire it.
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I appreciate The Two Towers much more these days than I used to. In rereads in earlier years, I'd fast-forward through the sequ8ences in the Dead Marshes. They were too creepy. More recently, I've come to appreciate them. Making something that creepy takes craft, and I admire it.
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I agree completely - and I think that the Marshes are the best part of TT. The second book has metric butt-loads of exposition and setting up for the big finale. It's hard to make that stuff compelling and I hate the thought that first-time readers are giving up because of it.

LOTR isn't the only major work that suffers from the middle-bog problem. Another that comes immediately to mind is Little, Big by John Crowley. It's a great story and I've read it several times, but I always hesitate to start it again because the part after the set up and before the payoff really is a bit of a slog.
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I agree completely - and I think that the Marshes are the best part of TT. The second book has metric butt-loads of exposition and setting up for the big finale. It's hard to make that stuff compelling and I hate the thought that first-time readers are giving up because of it.

LOTR isn't the only major work that suffers from the middle-bog problem. Another that comes immediately to mind is Little, Big by John Crowley. It's a great story and I've read it several times, but I always hesitate to start it again because the part after the set up and before the payoff really is a bit of a slog.
I've often thought it somewhat miraculous that Tolkien created what he did.

He wasn't an author when he began. He was a college professor of Old English. He created the languages first, then peoples that spoke them, and a history of them and the world in which they lived. He was also trying to craft a specifically British branch of faery, which meant taking inspiration from Norse and Teutonic sources, but not Celtic ones.

LoTR was written as one long volume, and split in three parts because it could not be produced as one book at the time. I've wondered on occasion what might have resulted had Tolkien been able to work with a good editor while writing the book, who could have advised him on aspects of structure, pacing, and the dreaded expository lump.

The sorts of structural problems LoTR has are those typical to an author who hasn't written a novel before, and lacks some of the insight experience brings in how to tell a story.
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Fictionwise is a retailer, reselling books from publishers. Baen is a publisher.
Retailers make money selling things, so I'm sure Fictionwise would like to sell you the books. They aren't allowed to, but that's not their idea or fault.

Going directly to Fictionwise and searching for John Norman, I see links to bundles of Gor books 1-16 and 17-26, both both links point to non-existent pages. For whatever reason, it appears the Gor books are not currently available from Fictionwise.
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When I tried to purchase Gor book 1 I could not do it due to geographic restrictions, do you have the same problem with an individual book? Also there is 10% off all books from Fictionwise this weekend with the coupon code "march2010". The same code applies to the ereader website too since they are both owned by B&N.

I just looked at my local chain bookstore website and they sell some of the Gor books in dead tree format. RRP is $39.00 to $53.00 AU per book. There is not a snowflakes chance in Hell I will pay those prices. Earlier this week I emailed them and asked if they were going to sell eBooks in the future. No response as yet. http://www.angusrobertson.com.au/
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When I tried to purchase Gor book 1 I could not do it due to geographic restrictions, do you have the same problem with an individual book? Also there is 10% off all books from Fictionwise this weekend with the coupon code "march2010". The same code applies to the ereader website too since they are both owned by B&N.
It lets me add one to my shopping cart, so I have to assume I can.

Poking around, I see the publisher is e-Reads, an electronic book venture started by long-time agent Richard Curtis. Interesting.
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It lets me add one to my shopping cart, so I have to assume I can.

Poking around, I see the publisher is e-Reads, an electronic book venture started by long-time agent Richard Curtis. Interesting.
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I corresponded with Fictionwise about gift books last week, and they told me that regional restrictions would still be enforced on downloads, even if you succeed in buying. I'd be careful.
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I'm in the United States, and e-Reads is based here. (In fact, their offices are a cab ride from where I live.) I suspect there aren't any geographical restrictions applicable to me.

But the point is moot, because I have no interest in John Norman's Gor series in ebook format. I still have early ones in paperback, and that's quite sufficient, thank you.
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I imagine that's far easier to get around than the initial sale though. Any proxy takes care of that problem. The initial sale often requires a US credit card and/or address in addition to checking your IP (depending on the site).

And if they let you purchase it with a non-US credit card, then refused to let you download it even from within the US or on a US IP because your credit card was non-US, they'd be opening themselves up to one heck of a lawsuit lol.
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