Do we need a new word for "reading" on screens since it is a very different animal? - Page 13

desertgrandma · 11-11-2009, 12:47 PM

Well, yeah, I was getting my stick out, but no way did I wish him this........

And Dan.......if you are reading this.........get well soon.

Hellmark · 11-11-2009, 01:33 PM

I don't agree with him either, but I kinda liked seeing him here. He may have been overzealous in his campaigning, but other than that a cool guy. Hope he gets well soon.

eGeezer · 11-11-2009, 02:13 PM

Well, it is unfortunate that the thread was bumped solely for the announcement, but appreciate Ardeegee's taking the time to do so, although the humor probably misses the mark under the circumstances. (I still laughed, and might have said the same, myself.)

However, the thread has been entertaining and informative and tho I don't know danbloom, nor had ever heard of him before this thread, I also wish him a full and speedy recovery. And if it can't be both, then a full one.

"The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man."
-- George Bernard Shaw

And I don't mean that in an unkind way.

delphidb96 · 11-11-2009, 04:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kazbates

That's actually very sad and I wish him a quick recovery.

Although we might not agree with his premise, that doesn't mean we should wish him ill.

It's even sadder - he DIED! Kinda hard to 'recover' from that.

Derek

OOPS! *MY* bad! I sped-read the first paragraph and *missed* the 'almost' before the 'died'!

schmolch · 11-11-2009, 05:33 PM

Reading on a "computer"-screen is like walking through a mine-field, there are so many things that can happen to you that you can not really deeply relax.
A paper-book however gives you a unique experience that combines 2 great things: (1) Deep relaxation, because there only is the quiet book and nothing else to worry about, and (2) high mental activity/awareness due to your involvement with the story/content.
If you feel forced to move from the bliss and sanctuary of paper-books to the stress and uncertainty of "computer"-reading that might be very unsettling.

...just a random thought...

Lemurion · 11-11-2009, 05:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by schmolch

Reading on a "computer"-screen is like walking through a mine-field, there are so many things that can happen to you that you can not really deeply relax.
A paper-book however gives you a unique experience that combines 2 great things: (1) Deep relaxation, because there only is the quiet book and nothing else to worry about, and (2) high mental activity/awareness due to your involvement with the story/content.
If you feel forced to move from the bliss and sanctuary of paper-books to the stress and uncertainty of "computer"-reading that might be very unsettling.

...just a random thought...

I see your point about reading from a web page on my computer. However, reading on my Sony reader is just like reading a book - and unlike reading a web page.

I think the problem is that the OP (who I hope recovers fully) and some of the people he quoted are conflating reading from a screen with reading from the web.

It's the presentation that matters - anything that gives still text is going to be different from a busy and "noisy" environment.

desertgrandma · 11-11-2009, 05:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by schmolch

Reading on a "computer"-screen is like walking through a mine-field, there are so many things that can happen to you that you can not really deeply relax.
A paper-book however gives you a unique experience that combines 2 great things: (1) Deep relaxation, because there only is the quiet book and nothing else to worry about, and (2) high mental activity/awareness due to your involvement with the story/content.
If you feel forced to move from the bliss and sanctuary of paper-books to the stress and uncertainty of "computer"-reading that might be very unsettling.

...just a random thought...

True..........but if you are reading on a dedicated ebook device, the experience is only improved. You still get the "into the book" experience, plus you have no heavy volumes to hold, you can adjust the font, its automatically bookmarked for you, a dictionary is built in, and if you have issues with your hands, arms, the lightness and ease of turning pages is a huge plus.

Billjr13 · 11-11-2009, 08:19 PM

Best wishes Dan get well soon

WT Sharpe · 11-11-2009, 08:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Billjr13

Best wishes Dan get well soon

Ditto.

eGeezer · 11-11-2009, 09:11 PM

Although it won't derail me from my search for an ereader to suit my needs, it occurred to me that searching an tree book is a lot more fun. Fanning the pages of a tree book cannot be replicated on an ebook. Seeing the pages fly by and picking out the page with the picture or diagram you remember being there just can't be duplicated. And flipping rapidly by to a page you recognize as being after the one you are seeking and paging back and forth to home it on it just won't work as well on an ebook.

A "search" feature is certainly more precise and less wasteful of time. But its still just not the same level of fun.

On the other hand, that is a differentiation between casual reading and searching a reference book or a how-to book, and I seldom fan the pages of a novel seeking a particular page (unless I fell asleep, and the book fell shut -- no bookmark). On the occasion when I think a character had said something previously contrary, or can't remember the referenced observation precisely, I have wished for a search feature on my tree book, so will be nice to have.

So, for my intended purpose -- entertainment -- the ebook still wins.

danbloom · 11-12-2009, 12:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by desertgrandma

Well, yeah, I was getting my stick out, but no way did I wish him this........

And Dan.......if you are reading this.........get well soon.

Thank you, desertgrandma, and billjr 13 and WT sharpe, and eGeezer and delphid96, and thanks you for the good wishes. Getting better every day. Appreciate the kind words.
-- Dan

(the clogged arteries "event" last Friday had nothing to with our back and forth chats here, and everything to do with plaque buildup over a long period of time. Resting now, but just wanted to say thanks for kind words, everyone.)

danbloom · 11-12-2009, 12:21 AM

And the final conclusion that came to me while lying in the ICU bed for a few days with nothing to do but take my meds (real meds this time) and contemplate this question is this: After careful consideration, I think there is NO NEED for a new word for reading on screens compared to reading on paper, because reading is reading, no matter how you slice it, and especially on E-readers, it's the same thing: reading is reading. There is no need at all for a new word for reading on an e-reader. It was a good question at the time, ....sort of........but I was wrong. Why create or coin or even look for a new word for something that is NOT needed? No reason to do so at all. I was wrong, it's that simple. Do appreciate all the comments here, and hope to come back later when I am in better health and say hello again.

WT Sharpe · 11-12-2009, 07:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by danbloom

Do appreciate all the comments here, and hope to come back later when I am in better health and say hello again.

I'll be looking forward to it, and I'm sure everyone else will as well. Take care of yourself and get well soon!

basschick · 11-12-2009, 09:09 AM

dan, i'm very happy to see you're still with us. take it easy and feel better!

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11-11-2009, 12:47 PM	#181
desertgrandma Enjoying the show.... Posts: 14,270 Karma: 10462843 Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Arizona Device: A K1, Kindle Paperwhite, an Ipod, IPad2, Iphone, an Ipad Mini & macAir	Well, yeah, I was getting my stick out, but no way did I wish him this........ And Dan.......if you are reading this.........get well soon.

11-11-2009, 01:33 PM	#182
Hellmark Wizard Posts: 2,549 Karma: 3799999 Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: O'Fallon, Missouri, USA Device: Nokia N800, PRS-505, Nook STR Glowlight, Kindle 3	I don't agree with him either, but I kinda liked seeing him here. He may have been overzealous in his campaigning, but other than that a cool guy. Hope he gets well soon.

11-11-2009, 02:13 PM	#183
eGeezer NE1 seen my glasses? Posts: 396 Karma: 4864 Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Seattle Device: Nook Glowlight (following previous nook STR and STR w/GL)	Well, it is unfortunate that the thread was bumped solely for the announcement, but appreciate Ardeegee's taking the time to do so, although the humor probably misses the mark under the circumstances. (I still laughed, and might have said the same, myself.) However, the thread has been entertaining and informative and tho I don't know danbloom, nor had ever heard of him before this thread, I also wish him a full and speedy recovery. And if it can't be both, then a full one. "The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man." -- George Bernard Shaw And I don't mean that in an unkind way.

11-11-2009, 05:33 PM	#185
schmolch Connoisseur Posts: 88 Karma: 2394 Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Germany Device: Kindle	Reading on a "computer"-screen is like walking through a mine-field, there are so many things that can happen to you that you can not really deeply relax. A paper-book however gives you a unique experience that combines 2 great things: (1) Deep relaxation, because there only is the quiet book and nothing else to worry about, and (2) high mental activity/awareness due to your involvement with the story/content. If you feel forced to move from the bliss and sanctuary of paper-books to the stress and uncertainty of "computer"-reading that might be very unsettling. ...just a random thought...

11-11-2009, 08:19 PM	#188
Billjr13 Addict Posts: 357 Karma: 550002 Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Colorado Device: Sony PRS 700 & 650	Best wishes Dan get well soon

11-11-2009, 09:11 PM	#190
eGeezer NE1 seen my glasses? Posts: 396 Karma: 4864 Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Seattle Device: Nook Glowlight (following previous nook STR and STR w/GL)	Although it won't derail me from my search for an ereader to suit my needs, it occurred to me that searching an tree book is a lot more fun. Fanning the pages of a tree book cannot be replicated on an ebook. Seeing the pages fly by and picking out the page with the picture or diagram you remember being there just can't be duplicated. And flipping rapidly by to a page you recognize as being after the one you are seeking and paging back and forth to home it on it just won't work as well on an ebook. A "search" feature is certainly more precise and less wasteful of time. But its still just not the same level of fun. On the other hand, that is a differentiation between casual reading and searching a reference book or a how-to book, and I seldom fan the pages of a novel seeking a particular page (unless I fell asleep, and the book fell shut -- no bookmark). On the occasion when I think a character had said something previously contrary, or can't remember the referenced observation precisely, I have wished for a search feature on my tree book, so will be nice to have. So, for my intended purpose -- entertainment -- the ebook still wins.

11-12-2009, 12:21 AM	#192
danbloom Banned Posts: 135 Karma: 366 Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Cyberspace Device: The Bindle: no batteries, hand-cranked pages, mobile, underlineable	And the final conclusion that came to me while lying in the ICU bed for a few days with nothing to do but take my meds (real meds this time) and contemplate this question is this: After careful consideration, I think there is NO NEED for a new word for reading on screens compared to reading on paper, because reading is reading, no matter how you slice it, and especially on E-readers, it's the same thing: reading is reading. There is no need at all for a new word for reading on an e-reader. It was a good question at the time, ....sort of........but I was wrong. Why create or coin or even look for a new word for something that is NOT needed? No reason to do so at all. I was wrong, it's that simple. Do appreciate all the comments here, and hope to come back later when I am in better health and say hello again.

11-12-2009, 09:09 AM	#194
basschick Wizard Posts: 1,096 Karma: 4695691 Join Date: May 2008 Device: Kindle Paperwhite	dan, i'm very happy to see you're still with us. take it easy and feel better!

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