Translating Sigil - Page 13

KevinH · 02-13-2023, 08:02 AM

Those are examples of actual menu commands followed by a short explanation of each. And yes one of the primary definitions of "remove" is to "get rid of" which includes "delete".

When explaining a short term such as a menu entry, you typically never use the same words that you are trying to explain. Otherwise the explanation is circular.

KevinH · 02-13-2023, 08:06 AM

Since that first term is menu command, it should always be translated identically to how Sigil shows it when its user interface language matches your translation target.

You may want to check out the '.ts' files for your target language if in doubt.

User_Z · 02-13-2023, 08:41 AM

Thanks Kevin.

But I asked a little about something else.
When you design a user interface in a program, do you equate "Remove" and "Delete" or do you put different meanings into the actions that these words stand for?

KevinH · 02-13-2023, 08:54 AM

The user interface has literally evolved over years, and changing menu items after many years is frowned upon. So the use of Remove and Delete are interchangeable in most cases and the exact choice was to use whichever felt the most apt by the developer that added that menu when its feature was added.

Doitsu · 02-13-2023, 12:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by User_Z

But I asked a little about something else.
When you design a user interface in a program, do you equate "Remove" and "Delete" or do you put different meanings into the actions that these words stand for?

I've just checked the official MS glossary and they use удалить for both remove and delete:
For example:

Code:

Delete File	Удалить файл
Remove file	Удалить файл

theducks · 02-13-2023, 06:51 PM

Far from official

Remove if something is left behind (eg some selectors in a CSS)
Delete if it is all gone.
EPUB muddles this as it is really an archive of many pieces
So Delete applies to a complete Piece (item) in the archive wheras the CSS is still there after deleting unused selectors)

User_Z · 02-14-2023, 01:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by theducks

Far from official

Remove if something is left behind (eg some selectors in a CSS)
Delete if it is all gone.
EPUB muddles this as it is really an archive of many pieces
So Delete applies to a complete Piece (item) in the archive wheras the CSS is still there after deleting unused selectors)

I am of the same opinion.

Remove - an entry from the list.
Delete - the entire list.

KevinH · 02-14-2023, 09:42 AM

And as I said, both do include as one of their meanings "get rid of" according to the dictionary. For example - you can either remove or delete lines from a file.

DiapDealer · 02-14-2023, 02:00 PM

The main point is that we're not going to change a menu item that's been the way it has for years and years and years.

User_Z · 02-14-2023, 02:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DiapDealer

The main point is that we're not going to change a menu item that's been the way it has for years and years and years.

So no one is asking you to do that.

DiapDealer · 02-14-2023, 03:57 PM

Then I guess I don't understand why this new conversation is happening. Carry on.

Grimaud · 02-24-2023, 08:37 AM

Hello,

There is a small spelling mistake in the French translation, but I have no idea how to report it

Hopefully this topic is a good place to speak about it

I'm using Sigil 1.9.20 on macOS Ventura 13.2.1.

The mistake is in the "Tools" menu, in the "Epub3 tools" submenu: the "Generate NCX/Guide for epub2 e-readers" is translated "Générer un NCX/Guide pour les lisseuses ePub2" when in French "e-readers" is written "liseuses": https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liseuse

un_pogaz · 02-24-2023, 10:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Grimaud

Hello,

There is a small spelling mistake in the French translation, but I have no idea how to report it

Hopefully this topic is a good place to speak about it

I'm using Sigil 1.9.20 on macOS Ventura 13.2.1.

The mistake is in the "Tools" menu, in the "Epub3 tools" submenu: the "Generate NCX/Guide for epub2 e-readers" is translated "Générer un NCX/Guide pour les lisseuses ePub2" when in French "e-readers" is written "liseuses": https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liseuse

Corrigé,
thanks o/

User_Z · 03-04-2023, 04:26 PM

Done!

Today I finished translating the Sigil User Guide into Russian.
All inaccuracies and typos identified during the work were sent to GitHub for correction.
Along the way, quite a few clarifications were made to the Russian and Ukrainian translations on Transifex.

There is one question left. How to add a translator to book metadata? Not the second author with the role of translator, namely the translator.
If you have any thoughts on this, please share.

KevinH · 03-04-2023, 04:54 PM

Could use - Contributor metadata tag with Marc Relator code for Translator ("trl") since technically not an author. In your case you could even use editor code since you have found and made corrections. Not sure if there is any other way with metadata.

You should add your name as Translator to the title page, and as contributing author. I will add it to the authors list for the English version.

You also might want to set up a github site for your translation so that others can contribute changes as new features are added to Sigil.

Then we can add a link to it from our Sigil ReadMe if you like.

02-14-2023, 09:42 AM	#188
KevinH Sigil Developer Posts: 8,437 Karma: 5702578 Join Date: Nov 2009 Device: many	And as I said, both do include as one of their meanings "get rid of" according to the dictionary. For example - you can either remove or delete lines from a file. Last edited by KevinH; 02-14-2023 at 10:28 AM.

02-24-2023, 08:37 AM	#192
Grimaud Guru Posts: 748 Karma: 3000 Join Date: May 2009 Device: PRS-505, PRS-600, PRS-650	Hello, There is a small spelling mistake in the French translation, but I have no idea how to report it Hopefully this topic is a good place to speak about it I'm using Sigil 1.9.20 on macOS Ventura 13.2.1. The mistake is in the "Tools" menu, in the "Epub3 tools" submenu: the "Generate NCX/Guide for epub2 e-readers" is translated "Générer un NCX/Guide pour les lisseuses* ePub2" when in French "e-readers" is written "liseuses*": https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liseuse Attached Thumbnails

03-04-2023, 04:54 PM	#195
KevinH Sigil Developer Posts: 8,437 Karma: 5702578 Join Date: Nov 2009 Device: many	Could use - Contributor metadata tag with Marc Relator code for Translator ("trl") since technically not an author. In your case you could even use editor code since you have found and made corrections. Not sure if there is any other way with metadata. You should add your name as Translator to the title page, and as contributing author. I will add it to the authors list for the English version. You also might want to set up a github site for your translation so that others can contribute changes as new features are added to Sigil. Then we can add a link to it from our Sigil ReadMe if you like. Last edited by KevinH; 03-05-2023 at 04:34 AM.

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02-13-2023, 08:02 AM	#181
KevinH Sigil Developer Posts: 8,437 Karma: 5702578 Join Date: Nov 2009 Device: many	Those are examples of actual menu commands followed by a short explanation of each. And yes one of the primary definitions of "remove" is to "get rid of" which includes "delete". When explaining a short term such as a menu entry, you typically never use the same words that you are trying to explain. Otherwise the explanation is circular.

02-13-2023, 08:06 AM	#182
KevinH Sigil Developer Posts: 8,437 Karma: 5702578 Join Date: Nov 2009 Device: many	Since that first term is menu command, it should always be translated identically to how Sigil shows it when its user interface language matches your translation target. You may want to check out the '.ts' files for your target language if in doubt.

02-13-2023, 08:41 AM	#183
User_Z Zealot Posts: 114 Karma: 10 Join Date: Sep 2019 Location: Ukraine Device: Computer, iPad	Thanks Kevin. But I asked a little about something else. When you design a user interface in a program, do you equate "Remove" and "Delete" or do you put different meanings into the actions that these words stand for?

02-13-2023, 08:54 AM	#184
KevinH Sigil Developer Posts: 8,437 Karma: 5702578 Join Date: Nov 2009 Device: many	The user interface has literally evolved over years, and changing menu items after many years is frowned upon. So the use of Remove and Delete are interchangeable in most cases and the exact choice was to use whichever felt the most apt by the developer that added that menu when its feature was added.

02-13-2023, 06:51 PM	#186
theducks Well trained by Cats Posts: 30,880 Karma: 59840450 Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: The Central Coast of California Device: Kobo Libra2,Kobo Aura2v1, K4NT(Fixed: New Bat.), Galaxy Tab A	Far from official Remove if something is left behind (eg some selectors in a CSS) Delete if it is all gone. EPUB muddles this as it is really an archive of many pieces So Delete applies to a complete Piece (item) in the archive wheras the CSS is still there after deleting unused selectors)

02-14-2023, 02:00 PM	#189
DiapDealer Grand Sorcerer Posts: 28,338 Karma: 203719142 Join Date: Jan 2010 Device: Nexus 7, Kindle Fire HD	The main point is that we're not going to change a menu item that's been the way it has for years and years and years.

02-14-2023, 03:57 PM	#191
DiapDealer Grand Sorcerer Posts: 28,338 Karma: 203719142 Join Date: Jan 2010 Device: Nexus 7, Kindle Fire HD	Then I guess I don't understand why this new conversation is happening. Carry on.

03-04-2023, 04:26 PM	#194
User_Z Zealot Posts: 114 Karma: 10 Join Date: Sep 2019 Location: Ukraine Device: Computer, iPad	Done! Today I finished translating the Sigil User Guide into Russian. All inaccuracies and typos identified during the work were sent to GitHub for correction. Along the way, quite a few clarifications were made to the Russian and Ukrainian translations on Transifex. There is one question left. How to add a translator to book metadata? Not the second author with the role of translator, namely the translator. If you have any thoughts on this, please share.

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