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I'll just skip to the end to vaporize that strawman so beloved of the anti DRM crowd- the mythical multi device family that just CANNOT share ebooks without stripping DRM. First of all, we have to wonder why the Multidevices did go ahead and buy different dedicated ereaders without considering the difficulties of sharing ebooks. Where they that clueless, really? Don't they get to pay a stupid tax? Do they also own Linux, Windows, and Macintosh PCs? They're gonna get a hell of a surprise if they try to share files and applications. Just sayin' OK, so they all bought different readers without any forethought, because that's how the strawman is built. The Multidevices must surely have at least one PC in the house. If so, there are PC applications for Sony, Kindle and Nook so they can read each other's books on the PC. Do the Multidevices have tablets, smartphones or PMPs? No problem-they can download apps and share accounts and libraries on those devices. No PCs, smartphones, or tablets, but three different kinds of ereaders? Hey, I can go to that reducio ad absurdum too. They could-and I know for the digerati, this seems really insane- just physically LEND their ereaders to their other family members. After all, they are all family, right? And in the olden days, when dinosaurs roamed the earth, people actually handed their physical books to family members, thus depriving themselves of the books for a time, till the borrower gave the book back. Lending ereaders is precisely analogous to lending pbooks, old school. So there you have it. Family members can share ebooks in several different ways, without violating DRM or the federal copyright laws, as is your wont. You don't have to choose to violate the law if you don't want to. I hope this lays to rest this zombie argument for all time-though I doubt it ![]() |
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If I lend my ebook reader to a family member, I have lent them my entire library. I can't read any book at all until they're done with that one. That is not "precisely analogous". It's not even close. |
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You can't as easily convert a 6-year-old Adobe DRM'd ebook to something readable on a new device. The software to do so is widely available--if you're willing to deal with being on the shady side of the DMCA. Quote:
People are willing to be reasonable; they know there's a difference between "share with a friend or two" and "post contents to my facebook for my 4,000 followers to download." But right now--both of those are legally the same. Until that changes, there's no incentive to *only* post to a friend or two; if you're going to be guilty of something that might have a $150,000 penalty, why not make a *lot* of people happy first? Quote:
I know of two: You can share them with up to 6 people who have access to your book-buying account, and have no separate account (on that device) of their own. You can loan some books, one time for two weeks, to another person with the same kind of ebook software. You know of others? Last I heard, ebook device sellers were saying it's illegal (or at least against the TOS) to sell the device with books still on it; you can't even share them by getting rid of your entire collection. |
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Yes, you can work around those restrictions (we are the ones who know how to do that), but we as ebook buyers can reasonably expect not to have to do so. And yes, most people are new to ebooks now and on their first device, so they are blissfully unaware of the problems they will most probably run into in the future. It already happened to me, I just found a way to take care of it. Those problems will be coming for many helpless readers, however, and then publishers will face a backlash from the book buying public. Keep pretending that everything is just find and dandy, while your employers are cashing in on that first really big wave of ebook converts. And in the next 2-3 years another wave of angry users will be coming right at you. You don't have to convince the MR crowd. For us DRM is just a 20 second nuisance at most. It is the publishing industry who should wake up and prepare for the future. You can rationalize all you want, but stabbing your own customers in the back doesn't bode well for the future, even if you are raking it in right now. Last edited by HansTWN; 04-16-2011 at 09:32 PM. |
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DRM needs to go. It had to go in every other digital technology and must in ebooks as well. The dinosaurs must die as they died before. The couldn't adapt, death was the result. It will be here too if they are unwilling to change. They will be the only zombies around. This is the way business and evolution works. Please pass that message back to your handlers. Last edited by kennyc; 04-16-2011 at 09:30 PM. |
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Plenty of people love Amazon and WalMart and think they're both terrific companies without being in any way affiliated with it. I think he's wrong about DRM, and prone to interesting flaws in his logic, but I don't think he's deliberately trying to prop up a failing business model--I think he thinks it's a valid and successful model. Quote:
I feel sorry for Baen; they really need to get their ebooks in more places. I've run across a lot of new ebook readers in the last year or two who don't know Baen exists. |
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Hey if folks want to believe that they are going Mano a mano with a paid agent of the evil publishing empire, well, they can go right ahead. A rich fantasy life is good for the soul. According to Kennyc and others, I am working for Apple and the publishers and amazon. Those tin foil hats must be mighty comfortable.
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I never said you were working for Apple. That must be a fantasy of yours.
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You are like somebody arguing that a car that leaks oil is good for us -- hey, it has a big trunk, you can keep lots of spare oil cans in the back! DRM in its current state is designed to make you re-buy your books, it is planned obsolescence. DRM has nothing to do with piracy. |
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It's a question of motivation. What benefit does DRM bring to any MobileRead user? Absolutely none. It brings some benefit to device vendors (device lock-in), to DRM vendors (Adobe gets their cut), and potentially to publishers (forcing users to re-purchase content). But there is absolutely no benefit to any user. Why does someone argue loudly and strongly against their own best interest? They don't. So therefore it's not against his best interest, which means his best interests align with those of the industry rather than with their customers. People don't advocate against their own interests. If someone appears to do so, and their actions are clear, then it must be their interest that is not what it appears to be. For Stonetools to be acting in his own best interest, that interest cannot be that of a consumer.
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