Arizonan restrictive law backfires

[DawnFalcon]

Overall, crime has fallen since a peak in the mid-90's. Increased global labour mobility is one of the very few convincing explanations of why it's fallen across the entire first world.

[kindlekitten]

Originally Posted by DawnFalcon

Yes, or you could look at some peer-reviewed studies.

your link does not work.
But that might show you for what you are.
someone who does research and can use FBI stats?

It's utterly pathetic that you've simply posted some absolute stats,
stats from the FBI. did you want me to carry through and say that in Phoenix in 2007 8.2 people out of 10,000 were murdered? interesting isn't it that I provide info without being asked for it, and you can never come up with anything
with only two data points, and told people to read into them your agenda. Try El Passo, San Diego, San Antonio
Arizona is the issue here and stated my comparison points 1. Philly has a similar population (if you would quit foaming you could point how the rates are so similar) and 2. that Detroit which is supposed to be the most violent city in the US has at times lower stats. this was for comparison. I looked at San Diego, it has a lower population and the rates are not valid. ummm sweetie, your ignorance is showing. San Antonio is interior by quite a bit
...towns near the Mexican border with very high illegal immigrant populations, and among the very safest places to liveactually comparatively to towns close to its size San Diego has some high stats. Try some basic intellectual honesty how much more freaking honest can I be than posting bare stats and I didn't even know what I would find when I started. Arizona has crime issues, period, quite separately from immigration. Correlation does not imply causation, or Arizona would be a heck of a lot safer than it is, because of illegal immigration. there are an awful lot of law enforcement personnel who completely disagree with you

And yes, thanks for boasting about how your ancestry makes your bigotry even less surprising. I've provided plenty of data about how your heroI only ever said I knew who he was and did not disagree with his methods. you've never posted any valid information about him is a murder in the past, you've ignored it. He's cost a lot of money in court settlements, prove itand that figure keeps rising. It's basically impossible to convict a US crooked cop in criminal court unless it's on camera, which is why all those civil settlements are so telling.

And yes, I'm quite aware of the provisions which mean US Citizens with criminal records can visit Canada and yet still have issues getting a visa you obviously have no idea what Candian Visa requirements are. they do not need a whole lot of 40 something females without dependent childrenfor a job. Notable you didn't denyin fact I am an honorably discharged combat vet, with nothing more than a dog at large ticket on my record. and am and have been a Girl Scout Leader and Trainer, neither of which I could do or be as a person with a criminal record. I just didn't feel the need to respond to your bashing...

probably one of my relatives in that picture

[pshrynk]

Thread closed for more violations of Posting Guidelines than I can count at the moment.

[pshrynk]

At the request of some of the people using this thread, it is reopened. However, please keep in mind our Posting Guidelines.

[kindlekitten]

thanks pshrynk!

[DawnFalcon]

Okay, I'll be much blunter then:

*Peer reviewed studies are the only data source of any worth.
*No, I won't confine myself to one town when you're talking generalised crime statistics. Try pulling in a proper comparison from the state.
*That you can't even be bothered to look up your hero on wikipedia...again, it's you.
*I know several people who handle those VISA's as a job. Them > You.

[kindlekitten]

Originally Posted by DawnFalcon

Okay, I'll be much blunter then:

*Peer reviewed studies are the only data source of any worth.
*No, I won't confine myself to one town when you're talking generalised crime statistics. Try pulling in a proper comparison from the state.
*That you can't even be bothered to look up your hero on wikipedia...again, it's you.
*I know several people who handle those VISA's as a job. Them > You.

it's your argument, supply the stats.

I'm having a hard time believing anything you say let alone that you know people in the US that perform that work

[DawnFalcon]

I've provided a paper. Now, you're making a different contention on your side, let's see the figures and the workings showing (mathematical) significance.

You might be surprised to find there's this thing called the internet. And that some email lists which have been around for well over a decade have hundreds of people in skilled professions all over the world in them, who are willing to refer you to the right documents when you ask! Yay!

And I don't believe a word you say. So? We're typing here. (Required note to this person: Sarcasm)

[recluse]

The Internet:
Where a lie becomes fact because someone has an agenda.

DawnFalcon, your "facts"
It's called a reality check.

[DawnFalcon]

Hence my wanting to see the other side's properly peer-reviewed statistics, right.

(And there /is/ a major long-term issue in those stats for me, IF they do them right, even!)

[SameOldStory]

Originally Posted by DawnFalcon

....

Try El Passo, San Diego, San Antonio...towns near the Mexican border with very high illegal immigrant populations, and among the very safest places to live.

"and among the very safest places to live."

Phoenix Number Two Kidnapping Capital as Drug Cartel Wars Intensify

You are SO funny.

Kidnapping Capital of the U.S.A. – Phoenix Arizona

And from the ultra right wing TV company abc News

Kidnapping Capital of the U.S.A.

Why in the world would anyone be concerned with illegals from ANYWHERE?

[DawnFalcon]

Yes, why would anyone be stupid enough to confuse Phoenix with the completely different towns of El Passo, San Diego or San Antonio, all three of which have very low crime rates?

I'm not asking the person who just did so, for reference.

[kindlekitten]

Originally Posted by DawnFalcon

I've provided a paper. Now, you're making a different contention on your side, let's see the figures and the workings showing (mathematical) significance.

You might be surprised to find there's this thing called the internet. And that some email lists which have been around for well over a decade have hundreds of people in skilled professions all over the world in them, who are willing to refer you to the right documents when you ask! Yay!

And I don't believe a word you say. So? We're typing here. (Required note to this person: Sarcasm)

and again.

the link doesn't work

[DawnFalcon]

It works just fine. But okay, DOI 10.1111/j.1540-6237.2010.00706.x

There, no more excuse.

[SameOldStory]

Originally Posted by DawnFalcon

And hence its nothing to do with illegals and everything to do with the unrealistic quotas of the INS, and then their unrealistic estimates of the people ignoring their quotas. Right.


dorino - No, I was responding to you - that's how the US police forces "do it in their own way".

kindlekitten - So when study after study says that immigrant crime rates are lower than those of citizens (as they do), you're hence de-facto arguing for greater restrictions on citizens than illegals to achieve your cause. Nice.

And yes, I'm quite aware that you worship that murderer over in Maricopa, but do you really think it's smart of you to advertise it? Oh wait, silly question, that'd involve you not being a xenophobic psychopath.

Your selective, bigoted, denial of 14th amendment rights to people based on the colour of their skin is a clear marker as to your personality. And getting into Canada is trivial. Unless you have a criminal record. Oh look, a surprise!

This thread caused me to start looking in racist and hate sites on the internet. This is from a racist website but otherwise it seems to mirror your viewpoint vis a vis America and it's police.

"Confederate US flags in Spain, Portugal, and Croatia? What do they mean by it? Is it like Americans using NS german flags, or are they American expatriates/travellers?"

Please do not misunderstand - I AM NOT CALLING YOU A RACIST.

Just noting what appears to be (from my viewpoint) a certain irrational animosity.

I apologize in advance if I may have offended you.