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1. it was not her party that didn't "trust" her, it was McCain's handlers, and they didn't have a clue about how to use her. Of course, there were a lot clues McCain's handlers didn't have. 2. abstinence works every time. It's being a teenager that's the problem. 3. did you bother to actually listen to her speech? 4. Palin understands about facebook. Apparently, you don't. 5. um...it's called "ghostwriting." Y'know, like "Profiles in Courage"? (hey, an actual "book" reference!) Whom the left fears, it ridicules. Whom the right fears, it scorns. |
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Edit: You ask where to draw the line... Well, in my country we have done so, and it seem the same in other countries. The line in my country is quite different from yours. I feel the line in my country is more moral and civilised than yours, but I assume you feel the same about the line in your country. It must be due to the way we were brought up. Last edited by Ea; 11-18-2009 at 05:06 PM. |
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Its a difference in ideology, I think. What you said makes perfect sense.
How long has your system been in place? Here, lifetimes of one way of thinking, IE, healthcare, is trying to be changed in just a few months. There is no transparency. Our representatives are not reading the bill, and admitting to that fact. No one knows the cost. No one know how it will be paid for, except for increasing taxes of the wealthy, and good luck with that. No one knows exactly how it will work. The details change almost daily. No wonder there is such divided discussions. |
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Good question.
Not being a scholar of history - just my impression. The ideas and philosophy behind the welfare state has roots in the humanism of the mid 19th century, in the conditions of the large, poor working classes (many of whom at that time emigrated). Socialism has its roots here as well. As for Denmark, I belive this guy, N.F.S. Grundtvig, pastor, political philospher, and hymn composer has had a much greater influence on my way of life than Marx. In the early 20th century, the poorer classes gained knowledge and the political left gained power. After the war, there were focus on re-building a state and an economy that would support more people, thus effectively meshing the classes into a great middle class. There are still very rich people and very poor people, but it's levelled out some. After all, you can't eat money, how much do you need for a comfortable life. During the criris of the seventies and early eighties we had a right-wing government cutting down and cleaning up the excesses of the sixties. Which was good. Now, after another left-wing government, and then a right-wing (the current) things work quite well. Denmark is a rich as we have ever been. So many more people have a life-style that would not have been imagined 100 years ago. With the words from a hymn by N.F.S. Grundtvig: 'Then we in richness have made it well - when few has too much, and fewer too little'. Last edited by Ea; 11-18-2009 at 05:29 PM. |
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Now, I'm not saying I want ararchy but I am saying I want the US government to reflect what the original drafters of the constitution intended. As a matter of fact in 1894 the Supreme Court ruled the income tax unconstitutional. It isn't government I don't trust... it is the members of government that this it is a job, a way to gain power and such. Career senators and congresspeople is what scares me. We should have term limits and you are not allowed to run again... if I couldn't be a Congressman for more than 4 years... lobbyist would have alot less leverage over me. BOb |
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1) If like the insurance you have, you can keep it. That's why it's called an option. 2) If you would rather have the government plan, you must pay for it. It's not charity, and it's not free; but it's the best way I can see to make the big boys behave, and in my opinion, health-care reform without a strong public option is no reform at all. Could it hurt the insurance companies ability to make profits? All I can say is that I'm every bit as worried about that as the insurance companies are about people with pre-existing conditions. |
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Only good depending on what you get in return. I feel I get a good return on my taxes.
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Personally I wouldn't want to see USA going anarchist - it is a large economy and the influence USA has on the world economy is crucial enough for me to want sensible, intelligent, moderate people to run the country. By way of its size, USA has a great responsibility outwards as well as inwards. |
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Another thought I had was in RI for auto insurance if you were a new driver and you weren't on your parents policy they only way for you to get insurance was in what was called the "risk pool". The risk pool could not turn you down. The rates were somewhat affordable because everyone in the risk pool subsidized everyone else. You could buy insurance from any company but that insurance company had the backing of the risk pools funds. Isn't that how flood insurance works too? Anyway... I'm not sure I am going with this... but there are models of shared risk that we could emulate rather than building some big bureaucracy. BOb |
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