Limited Kindle Unlimited

[Dr. Drib]

Originally Posted by Dazrin

All I know is 5000 times a number larger than 1 will return a number larger than 5000. I think your decimal places are off. $23,900.

Make that a double! You're right!

That cookbook writer who sells 5000 copies is now independently wealthy!

[darryl]

Originally Posted by Mistyfarm

So why would they flag me for reading too many 1 - 20 page titles rather than delete those books as per their own rules, the offending “too short” books that they pay out on? I can only think of one reason, it keeps their "available title" number over 1 million.

Perhaps because you were not actually reading the books concerned, and your method of "research" was indistinguishable from various scams so far as Amazon's algorithms are concerned. I'm not aware that Amazon has any limitations or bans on very short books. They just don't make very much money. And whatever limit they have set before banning is apparently so generous that your complaint seems to be unique on these forums. We still don't know how many books you did in fact borrow before you were banned, other than it seems to be many hundreds.

So far as I'm aware no one in this thread has accused you of being involved in click-farming or other scams. Had I been in any doubt on this issue your demonstrated profound ignorance of the way KU works would quickly have dispelled it. As I said previously, if you're not happy with KU, simply cancel your subscription. Clearly it does not seem to have given you very good value given what you were doing. If you are going to continue to subscribe to KU, perhaps you will share the reasons why with us, including the value you perceive you get.

[Mistyfarm]

Originally Posted by Mistyfarm

That way, if indeed KU actually pays authors for "fair use", no one loses. Amazon get their monthly fee and the author gets their "click" benefit

See THREAD - "Scan digital library and extract all Table of Contents from all books" Post #8
The above are MY ACTUAL words - check it out.

You alleged I said ;

Originally Posted by DiapDealer

........ Yet you, for some strange reason, chose to believe that it was all uncorroborated guess work (with posts in different threads to the effect of "if that is indeed how they pay KU authors--wink, wink; nudge, nudge")..........

…… and you are offended that I don’t take some random numpty poster’s blurting word for it …… Puleeese !! Go on, count your toes. I think there are some missing after that selfie gunshot!

I’ll stop now and hurl myself sobbing into my bed, it’s late!

[Dazrin]

All of this has been very well documented in places that authors tend to congregate. (While we have some authors here, MR is more for readers and ebook/ereader aficionados than authors.)

The Digital Reader (Nate the Great's e-reader news/blog) has been noting and publishing the rates for a long time. It's even easy to see how Amazon gets the "per page" rates each month:

$/Page = (Total number of subscriber dollars - Amazon's Cut) / (Total number of pages read)

That also shows why Amazon has to have the click farm scam detection. All someone needs to do in order to increase their share is to get more pages of their books read. Even though the $/page will also go down, they have a higher percentage of pages read so they get a larger piece of the pie. And right now that pie is ~$24 million each MONTH. So, even getting to 0.1% of that in a month would be a very good payout. (Incidentally, the hypothetical cookbook Dr. Drib was talking about would have had approximately that 0.1% of the pie.)

BUT, that also reduces the "fair use" payouts to the authors who are not trying to scam the system. That's the problem and why Misty's original behavior was flagged. It looked like someone trying to take a larger piece of the pie than they actually earned thus cheating the honest authors out of their "fair use" piece of the pie.

[DiapDealer]

Originally Posted by Mistyfarm

See THREAD - "Scan digital library and extract all Table of Contents from all books" Post #8
The above are MY ACTUAL words - check it out.

You alleged I said ;


…… and you are offended that I don’t take some random numpty poster’s blurting word for it …… Puleeese !! Go on, count your toes. I think there are some missing after that selfie gunshot!

I’ll stop now and hurl myself sobbing into my bed, it’s late!

Is there something about "to the effect of" you're unclear on? I "alleged" nothing. In this and other threads, you repeatedly threw shade at the notion that KU authors were paid by a pages-read algorithm, when all you would've had to do was google it yourself.

And I'm not offended at all. I'm amused. I'm always amused by Noob-On-A-High-Horse-Comes-To-MR-To-Have-A-Fight #347 (the corporate overlords/sheeple variant). It's been a while (not really).

[Mistyfarm]

I really don’t want to give too much oxygen to this but I think I’m enjoying shaking the pee off my leg!

DP, next you’ll be telling me that my picture is “something to the effect of a Chinese Giant Panda” climbing up my veranda post!

Just to prove that it isn’t;

https://www.worldwildlife.org/species/giant-panda (this is called a “reference”)

It’s easy enough to check all my posts, click on my name and Find more posts and you’ll see all of them …. it takes 30s.

Note; the sentence between the quotes does not appear, not even a “nudge” or a “wink”

Hahaha OK ya got me, I actually started searching for that thread!

I couldn’t find it so I googled it.

Look, you’re now famous, Your post is result #1 and for the bonus there’s even an answer for your duck question !! How good’s that ??

[Mistyfarm]

……… since I’m here at the moment.

My reason for coming to MR was the Limited KU question and my lockout …… others brought up the page reads and payments etc and I did look at them and the following link might also be relevant and clarifying to some of the “silent majority” at least.

https://davidgaughran.com/2016/03/11...-hits-authors/

[DuckieTigger]

Originally Posted by Mistyfarm

I really don’t want to give too much oxygen to this but I think I’m enjoying shaking the pee off my leg!

DP, next you’ll be telling me that my picture is “something to the effect of a Chinese Giant Panda” climbing up my veranda post!

Just to prove that it isn’t;

https://www.worldwildlife.org/species/giant-panda (this is called a “reference”)

It’s easy enough to check all my posts, click on my name and Find more posts and you’ll see all of them …. it takes 30s.

Note; the sentence between the quotes does not appear, not even a “nudge” or a “wink”

Hahaha OK ya got me, I actually started searching for that thread!

I couldn’t find it so I googled it.

Look, you’re now famous, Your post is result #1 and for the bonus there’s even an answer for your duck question !! How good’s that ??

How good's that?? You are proving his point just by talking. Instead of your automatic reply of "I don't believe you anyway unless you quote and reference it, because I cannot be bothered to do a quick google search" try to google it first when you encounter something new to you. Here is a little secret for you: if you come to a place and ask a question, then don't be surprised to get an answer from someone more knowledgeable about the topic.

[Mistyfarm]

Originally Posted by DuckieTigger

...... Instead of your automatic reply of "I don't believe you anyway unless you quote and reference it, because I cannot be bothered to do a quick google search" ........

You guys are magic!! You manage to manifest fantasy quotes out of thin air!

Thanks DT

That’s how I got here, by Google. Without Google I wouldn’t even know MR existed.

Thousands of Google hits saw me coming here to ask the nice and helpful MR community here if there was a common problem or an answer to my issue. I was honest in what I had done and said so right from the beginning.

The very first interrogations and demands for “proof” actually came from users demanding I spend hours counting and listing the “exact” number of books, where, when etc.

I even provided email transcripts from Amazon Help after those demands too.

I provided and continue to provide the links to backup my findings as I go along.

Interestingly, no comments or challenges on my real provided proofs just more hyperventilating and fancy footwork around quotes and words I've never actually said.

And as for your “secret” what I’m really surprised at is the lack of credible answers and the lack of “knowledgeable” or meaningful detail about the topics.

And yes I'm replying again, I'm finding it useful for when I buckle down, sift thru all the invective, sort out the the truth from the “guesses” and I’ll write a final review of proceedings........ So that at least someone, somewhere might one day make some use of what I've found!

[Mistyfarm]

Originally Posted by Dazrin

The Digital Reader (Nate the Great's e-reader news/blog) has been noting and publishing the rates for a long time.

Dazrin,

Great link, thanks .... very useful.

[binaryhermit]

Also, apparently a "page" for Kindle Unlimited purposes is closer to half a page in a typical print book, as I understand it.

And as I've stated, given that I've pretty heavily read KU books, perhaps unreasonably so, I'm surprised that you got cut off.

Unless their fraud detection saw something. Could have been a false positive though.

[DuckieTigger]

Originally Posted by Mistyfarm

The very first interrogations and demands for “proof” actually came from users demanding I spend hours counting and listing the “exact” number of books, where, when etc.

Demanding hours of counting? For a ballpark figure? You can count every single book, make sure you skip none or double count. Or you could have counted pages on your screen. Count how many fit on a screen, then scroll down, and down again, then multiply the number of screens by how many books per screen. The number you gave earlier by itself is no real grounds for concern (when you stopped counting at 250) if they were all small books. Still it would be really nice to know how much more after 250 there is as your situation is quite unique (getting flagged without trying to test the limits on purpose).

Here on MR we have many members that read a lot and read fast. One such member (don't remember who and certainly much faster than I am reading) mentioned they can read The Lord Of The Rings in one setting of 14 hours. Amazon says that book as single volume is 1200 pages long. If you read all day long for a month straight that is 36 thousand pages. Now if that person reads short books of 50 pages each, then he could rack up 720 books a month. If you got flagged at reading 500 books (let's just say when you stopped counting there was still half left) on mostly real short books 10 to 20 pages long, that would be real cause of concern. Now if you did all that in one afternoon, it is very reasonable to assume that it was humanly impossible to read that fast.

Do you maybe now see why we would like to have a little better estimate? Heck, if you are off by plus or minus 25% that would still be valuable information.

[Mistyfarm]

Originally Posted by binaryhermit

Unless their fraud detection saw something. Could have been a false positive though.

Thanks BH,

That’s exactly what I’m saying it was, an easily eliminated one.

I acknowledge the detection was reasonable. What I contended was the lockout wasn’t, especially with no double checking of my account hadn’t been hacked, and Amazon’s deliberately hiding the results.

As for page size and also reads etc - it can now be definitively seen and factually verified because of supporting links that …..

Dr Drib in #148 just the other day helpfully provided this link

Originally Posted by Dr. Drib

..........."The only basis to use is that Amazon calculates a page to be about 187 words and for every 1,000 pages read; authors get between $4.00 and $5.00. On average Amazon pays around $4.78 per 1,000 pages."

Source:
https://justpublishingadvice.com/is-...r-for-authors/

So your 1000-word recipe book on cooking chicken gizzards earns you approx. $4.78.

and Shari in;

Originally Posted by shalym

........... The amount paid for this "book" is truly minuscule, since the per page rate (for April) is $0.0046601941747573. So the book has to be at least 3 pages for the author to make a penny each time it's read to the end........... Shari

So we can see that Amazon is said to be paying on an assumed 187 words per page, at April’s $0.0046601941747573 for 1,000 pages gives $4.67.

[Mistyfarm]

Originally Posted by DuckieTigger

Demanding hours of counting? For a ballpark figure? You can count every single book, make sure you skip none or double count. Or you could have counted pages on your screen........

I've explained all of that in earlier posts, I haven't made that many that you couldn't find it in less than 10 mins as previously described.

I'm assuming that since your last post criticised me for NOT googling enough, in direct reply to my post where I actually SHOW a Google search picture, I'll assume you're either trolling OR maybe you drink more than I do

Originally Posted by DuckieTigger

Heck, if you are off by plus or minus 25% that would still be valuable information.

More than likely > 25%

Happy to help

[Mistyfarm]

Now I have to state the obvious because it doesn't seem to be so for some.

Anyone wanting to KNOW exactly how many books before lockout ...... why don't you try it for yourselves? Waste your own time.

You now know they'll just lock you out for a time and then let you back in like they did with me.

I've already got 1 strike and I don't trust their algorithms and practices.

I look forward to your results!