My Oasis has splotchier lighting than any early Paperwhite or Voyage I've seen.

[JSWolf]

Originally Posted by HarryT

As someone else has already pointed out previously in this thread, the CCD detector in a camera responds linearly, whereas your eye responds logarithmically. What that means is that contrast differences (shadows) will always be greatly exaggerated in a photograph compared with the appearance in real life. The photo you posted may or may not be objectionable to the eye; you'd have to look at the actual device and see. Contrary to the popular expression, the camera can - and does - lie.

The solution to that is when posting a picture of the screen, also say if it's what is being seen or if it's being exaggerated or not shown properly so we'll know how accurate the photo is.

[howyoudoin]

Originally Posted by JSWolf

That may have been an issue in the past, but Kobo has fixed any responsiveness issues. The IR is better with ePub now is better than it was when I first got my H2O.

Nice to know, JS.

[cerem0ny]

These oases are deplorable. Totally negated any desire to buy myself one, especially at that price.

I leave you with a wonderful picture of my Kobo H20. Hurry up with the new device, Kobo!

[shalym]

Originally Posted by JSWolf

I've used IR on a Kindle Touch and I found no problem with it. I've used IR on Sony Readers and again, no problem. I use IR on my H2O and still it works.

The reason for extra page turns is because IR allows you to activate it anything that can properly break the IR beam. As for not getting page turns when you do want them, could be a dirt/dust/etc. covering some of the IR ports.

Both of these issues are still only problems with IR screens. I was pointing out that IR screens do have issues that capacitive don't. For me, the capacitive screens work better. For you, apparently, they don't.

Choice is a wonderful thing.

Shari

[Barty]

Originally Posted by disconnected

That looks a lot like my PW1. I thought it was acceptable for a first try but I wouldn't accept it on an Oasis.

Except I think cones on the sides, which encroach on the text, are worse than cones at the bottom, which only encroach on the status bar. Also as your eyes scan across the page, they will "bump into" the cones repeatedly, as opposed to just once when you reach the bottom of the page.

Odd that you get 4 prominent dark spots out of 10 leds. Are the leds not evenly spaced?

My PW2 has very very slight cones. Really non issue. But I guess any time you change something, you're liable to regress. Putting leds on the side is a big change.

(Insert usual caveats about photos here.)

[Cinisajoy]

Originally Posted by pagepack

The picture I posted is very close to the normal light level I read my PW2 on in darkness. So its pretty dire for a 270 quid device.

I do not understand this.
A PW2 is one device lit by lights on the bottom.
The Oasis is a totally different device lit by lights on the side.
What light level you use on the PW2 has no bearing on what light level to use on the Oasis.

As HarryT has pointed out, one needs to set the lights to their comfort level and not worry about the extremes.

Every light and device I own is set differently.
I also have to reset the lights on my tablet depending on the ambient light.

Oh and sometimes putting a tv against a different colored wall makes a big difference in how it looks.

[cerem0ny]

Originally Posted by Cinisajoy

I do not understand this.
A PW2 is one device lit by lights on the bottom.
The Oasis is a totally different device lit by lights on the side.
What light level you use on the PW2 has no bearing on what light level to use on the Oasis.

As HarryT has pointed out, one needs to set the lights to their comfort level and not worry about the extremes.

Every light and device I own is set differently.
I also have to reset the lights on my tablet depending on the ambient light.

Oh and sometimes putting a tv against a different colored wall makes a big difference in how it looks.

It's not really fair to say a device shouldn't work properly in its extremes. If a device is made to go up to twenty points of brightness, it should function well at all points of brightness. Just because you never use that particular point of brightness, it still should work as it is sold and advertised as a functioning piece of equipment at all brightness levels. Especially if we're talking about a $450 device that is sold as a premium device. Saying that its OK for a device to function properly only sometimes is a cop out and would breed some pretty awful behaviour/results in industry if it was a sentiment everyone adopted.

If someone's unhappy with their device, you're not going to be able to argue with them back into a state of happiness. It's how they feel - end of story.

[Shinytop]

I think people are saying they are satisfied at the lower light levels, not commenting on whether is is "ok" to manufacture one that does not read well at all extremes. I am satisfied if my car operates well at 80 and below. Some require that it operate well at 120. Neither is wrong or a fan boy.

[93terp]

Originally Posted by Josieb1

Well my Kobo Glo HD arrived today (which I ordered direct from Kobo) and that's got yellow splotches and dark smudges on the screen. I knew it was a risk but it was worth a try. Now need to start the refund process. If anything is going to kill e-ink ereaders it's the inconstant screens making buying them a lottery so in the end we all give up.

Both my Glo HD & Aura H2O are perfectly even - no splotches, smudges or shadows from the light. I'm exceptionally thrilled with both units, and after reading all the horror stories about the splotchy lighting on the PWs, Voyage, and now the Oasis I'm happy I moved on from the Kindle to the Kobo line of ereaders.

[HarryT]

Originally Posted by cerem0ny

It's not really fair to say a device shouldn't work properly in its extremes. If a device is made to go up to twenty points of brightness, it should function well at all points of brightness.

Saying that a screen has a colour tinge when it's viewed in a dark room at maximum brightness is an expression of personal preference, not an indication that the device is functioning incorrectly. Every screen has a colour tint; extreme brightness levels simply exaggerate it. It doesn't indicate a fault. Personally I don't give two hoots what a screen looks like in conditions I'm never going to use it in. Why would I? I'm never going to see it.

If you deliberately set up to look for faults in extreme conditions, you're certain to find them.

[Cinisajoy]

Originally Posted by cerem0ny

It's not really fair to say a device shouldn't work properly in its extremes. If a device is made to go up to twenty points of brightness, it should function well at all points of brightness. Just because you never use that particular point of brightness, it still should work as it is sold and advertised as a functioning piece of equipment at all brightness levels. Especially if we're talking about a $450 device that is sold as a premium device. Saying that its OK for a device to function properly only sometimes is a cop out and would breed some pretty awful behaviour/results in industry if it was a sentiment everyone adopted.

If someone's unhappy with their device, you're not going to be able to argue with them back into a state of happiness. It's how they feel - end of story.

I think you misunderstood my post.
Let's use the lights as an example.
We will use your 20 as an example.
The 20 is for extremely bright conditions. It is not recommended for use in a dark room.
That is why there is a dimmer.
And why if you burn your retinas using the device improperly then it is not the fault of the device.
Just because a device CAN do something, does not mean one should do it in all situations.

Yes, in a dark room, with bright lights one will see the splotches.

Oh and a little something I learned in an English class,
If one is looking for faults in something, they will find it. Even if they have to go to extremes.

Now I am sure, there will be a few lighting issues. But is it the device itself or is the device incompatible with the user? Or both?

Oh and haven't we (as a group)had this conversation on every lighted ereader?

[pagepack]

Originally Posted by Cinisajoy

I do not understand this.
A PW2 is one device lit by lights on the bottom.
The Oasis is a totally different device lit by lights on the side.
What light level you use on the PW2 has no bearing on what light level to use on the Oasis.

I'm not sure I follow your logic. Ive had a few front lit ebook readers from different manufacturers over the years, who use different designs to achieve the same aim. What light level I feel comfortable with has remained the same.

I wanted the Oasis to be perfect, for 270 quid I have the right to expect it to be. Can I be bothered to embark on the multiple buy and return cycle until I'm satisfied? Nope.

[Cinisajoy]

Originally Posted by pagepack

I'm not sure I follow your logic. Ive had a few front lit ebook readers from different manufacturers over the years, who use different designs to achieve the same aim. What light level I feel comfortable with has remained the same.

I wanted the Oasis to be perfect, for 270 quid I have the right to expect it to be. Can I be bothered to embark on the multiple buy and return cycle until I'm satisfied? Nope.

Were they all lit from the bottom?
The Oasis is a totally different design.
And no I do not expect you to multiple buy and return.
I was trying to figure out how two very different lighting systems would be exactly the same.
The science was not working.
That would be like saying a Kia Soul will light up the exact same space as an 18 wheeler.

[pagepack]

Originally Posted by Cinisajoy

Were they all lit from the bottom?
The Oasis is a totally different design.
And no I do not expect you to multiple buy and return.
I was trying to figure out how two very different lighting systems would be exactly the same.
The science was not working.
That would be like saying a Kia Soul will light up the exact same space as an 18 wheeler.

So how would a side lit ebooker reader affect the light level that I feel comfortable at?

[Cinisajoy]

Originally Posted by pagepack

So how would a side lit ebooker reader affect the light level that I feel comfortable at?

I am assuming you mean you have all your ereaders set at one particular number or did I misunderstand your post?

Let's say you put all your 5 and 6 bottom lit ereaders at 5.
That works because they are very similar.
You cannot say that 5 will automatically work on a 10 led side lit ereader because the light will be hitting the screen differently.
And the number settings will be different.

Now if it was me and I was going to spend that kind of money, I would not buy immediately. I would wait until they were in the store so I could physically see one to make sure I was comfortable with the lighting system.