New 13.3" Onyx Boox. Rumours, prototype specs, first pictures

[phyzjqk]

Originally Posted by rine111

I would also be happy with a 9.7 touchscreen version with these features.

Boox N96 is there

[Dan23]

Why 496 grams vs 358 grams for the Sony. Is a cover included in the 496 weight? Thanks.

[HarryT]

Originally Posted by Dan23

Why 496 grams vs 358 grams for the Sony.

Much bigger (hence heavier) battery.

[phyzjqk]

Originally Posted by HarryT

Much bigger (hence heavier) battery.

In fact, not so necessary to use such big battery. 400gram is already good enough

[esfandiyar2002]

Originally Posted by phyzjqk

Boox N96 is there

By appearance of 13 inch screen,who goes in favour of the little sister(nine inch),or Lilliputian six inch? They would probably applicable for regular eye check-up with their fine fonts.

I believe if I suddenly take one of those in my hands after experiencing 13 inch version, I should read lines as follows:

Byappearanceof13inchscreen,whogoesinfavourofthelit tlesister(nine inch),orLilliputiansixinch?Theywouldprobablyapplic ableforregulareyecheck-upwiththeirfinefonts.

That was my exact experience before while reading in six inch readers!

[markom]

Many pdf books/documents are formated as A5 or two-columns A4, so should be easily read (in terms of font size) on 6" screen in landscape mode (zoomed without margins; two/three screens per page) and using two-column mode (four screens per page).

For reading A4 one-column documents comfortably we need 10" screen, wherewith we can even get slight magnification of paper document, again, only if we read in landscape (zoomed without margins) two-screens per page.

I'd still rather read on 10" e-ink with a good frontlight (landscape; two screens per page), then on 13" without frontlight, because I usually read indoors, with the dimmed light rather than strong.

[joblack]

Originally Posted by markom

Many pdf books/documents are formated as A5 or two-columns A4, so should be easily read (in terms of font size) on 6" screen in landscape mode (zoomed without margins; two/three screens per page) and using two-column mode (four screens per page).

For reading A4 one-column documents comfortably we need 10" screen, wherewith we can even get slight magnification of paper document, again, only if we read in landscape (zoomed without margins) two-screens per page.

I'd still rather read on 10" e-ink with a good frontlight (landscape; two screens per page), then on 13" without frontlight, because I usually read indoors, with the dimmed light rather than strong.

10" is not big enought for DIN A4. In fact even 13.3" is not (but almost) as big as A4.

There are several opinions about frontlights. I hate them, others love them. I think you get the point.

[celticgirl]

Reading a complicated two-column journal article on a piddling measly 6 inch screen ereader in landscape mode is the most annoying reading experience ever! I can't even retain anything because I'm SO thoroughly annoyed!

[markom]

Originally Posted by joblack

10" is not big enought for DIN A4. In fact even 13.3" is not (but almost) as big as A4.

There are several opinions about frontlights. I hate them, others love them. I think you get the point.

There is no need to have the whole A4 page visible in my case, I'm perfectly fine with two screens per A4 page.

DIN A4 is 210 mm wide, with the text width at about 175-190 mm depending on the margins.

10" eink is about 200 mm wide in landscape, so, if zoomed without margins or with reduced margins, we can get even bigger fonts than on the paper.

Bigger problems for many users are page flipping speed, annotating speed, multitasking speed, search/dictionary speed, the lack of color etc.

One way to solve those shortcomings is to use tablet simultaneously as we read on e-ink.

Pocketbook promised a wireless option for its 13" eink as secondary screen for smartphones/tablets, would be nice to see something similar for Onyx too.

[Feher]

Originally Posted by markom

Bigger problems for many users are page flipping speed, annotating speed, multitasking speed, search/dictionary speed, the lack of color etc.

I agree and all these problems have been theoretically solved by Onyx Boox. All that is needed is good hardware, fast refresh mode, and Ultra HD screens.

I have been reading on my i86 like a tablet. At present, it is the best eReader.
A) I switch on the fast refresh mode. B) Adjust the contrast and fonts . I choose heavier fonts and make them bold, so that text becomes readable. The text quality in fast refresh mode cannot be like regular HD screens but it is fairly readable. I get page ghosting every 25-30 pages which i can remove by pressing one hardware key for 2seconds.

The Final Result is that : I am able to flip pages extremely fast and i can open dictionary and multitask at the speed of a tablet. No other modern eReaders even remotely compare with i86 once it is properly set up


Compared with i86, there are shortcomings in all 3 New Large Screen eReaders being launched :
Onyx N96 Dual Touch - Screen Resolution is low. No Frontlight. Text becomes readable in fast refresh mode if screen resolution is high
Onyx N96ML - No Capacitive touch screen and screen resolution is low
Boox Max - Screen Resolution is good and Fast refresh mode will work smoothly. If only it had dual touch, it would have been the best. Normal tasks like page flipping and accessing dictionary are more convenient if done using hands

[esfandiyar2002]

Originally Posted by markom

Manypdfbooks/documentsareformatedasA5ortwocolumnsA4,soshouldbee asilyread(in terms of font size)on6"screeninlandscapemode(zoomedwithoutmargin s;two/threescreensperpage)andusingtwo-columnmode(four screens per page).ForreadingA4one-columndocumentscomfortablyweneed10"screen,wherewit hwecanevengetslightmagnificationofpaperdocument,ag ain,onlyifwereadinlandscape(zoomed withoutmargins)two-screensperpage.I'dstillratherreadon10"e-inkwithagoodfrontlight(landscape;twoscreensperpage ),thenon13"withoutfrontlight,becauseIusuallyreadin doors,withthedimmedlightratherthanstrong.

As I told,if you are comfortable reading what you have mentioned above in your six inch toy(E-reader),lucky you.You have an eagle eye!But I'm afraid not.I need that damn 13 inch to read fine printed textbooks and lab manuals for several non-stop hours!That's of course very different when I get to bed and my reading purpose is for sleeping only!

[phyzjqk]

Originally Posted by esfandiyar2002

By appearance of 13 inch screen,who goes in favour of the little sister(nine inch),or Lilliputian six inch? They would probably applicable for regular eye check-up with their fine fonts.

I believe if I suddenly take one of those in my hands after experiencing 13 inch version, I should read lines as follows:

Byappearanceof13inchscreen,whogoesinfavourofthelit tlesister(nine inch),orLilliputiansixinch?Theywouldprobablyapplic ableforregulareyecheck-upwiththeirfinefonts.

That was my exact experience before while reading in six inch readers!

Hilarius !!!!

[phyzjqk]

Originally Posted by joblack

10" is not big enought for DIN A4. In fact even 13.3" is not (but almost) as big as A4.

There are several opinions about frontlights. I hate them, others love them. I think you get the point.

Cut the margin, 13 inch must be yes

[markom]

Originally Posted by esfandiyar2002

As I told,if you are comfortable reading what you have mentioned above in your six inch toy(E-reader),lucky you.You have an eagle eye!But I'm afraid not.I need that damn 13 inch to read fine printed textbooks and lab manuals for several non-stop hours!That's of course very different when I get to bed and my reading purpose is for sleeping only!

I'm not comfortable reading two-column A4 on 6" screen for a number reasons, but not because of the size of the letters, which are usually as large as on the paper (portraite width of 6" screen is 9 cm i.e. usually wider than the column width in two column A4 pdf).

13" Sony DPT-S1 and 13" Onyx Max have the same 1200 pixels (at 150 ppi) in portraite as any current 10" eink in landscape, so, unless we read with 13" in landscape, we cannot get larger letters than on 10" screen, that's why I'll keep on waiting on the first good 10"-er with frontlight for half the price, remaining envy of 13" e-ink owners for another 12-15 months.

[esfandiyar2002]

Originally Posted by markom

13" Sony DPT-S1 and 13" Onyx Max have the same 1200 pixels (at 150 ppi) in portraite as any current 10" eink in landscape, so, unless we read with 13" in landscape, we cannot get larger letters than on 10" screen, that's why I'll keep on waiting on the first good 10"-er with frontlight for half the price, remaining envy of 13" e-ink owners for another 12-15 months.

I Know from my own experience that when I read something on an e-reader in landscape mode,I feel that I have missed the main nature of the e-reader by feeling more likely looking at tablets in that position.

I prefer to be more comfortable reading heavy texts and fine print journal articles on their natural portrait position for several hours,without worrying too much of zooming,pinching,magnifying,scrolling,etc.

I remember the days that people used to have smaller cellphones with smaller screens in its initial arriving.Then bigger screens as phablets and smartphones come to market.I have one of that smaller screen cellphones for my daily usage without worrying too much of charging every night!(My cellphone,no matter how outdated, holds charge for at least 10 days). If I see an updated large screen smartphone(5 inch) that holds charge for at least one week on one time charging,I will immediately pay for it.But as big screen phones are highly appealing,the battery run time and related technology lags behind!For 2016,I see the screen gets even bigger(6 inch!) and I believe people will read their e-books on them!