Why no SD cards?

[HarryT]

Originally Posted by HarryT

I believe it is, yes. It's certainly sold on amazon.co.uk

Yep. Here:

http://www.amazon.com/Onyx-BOOX-T68-.../dp/B00KW4EJL0

It's even in stock .

[JSWolf]

Originally Posted by eschwartz

No, it was simply a decision not to add that was decided differently the second time the issue came up.

You persist in assuming that a fundamental aspect of being a Kindle is that it have either an SD slot or audio; neither is true.

Just because something happened once, does not mean it is required to happen again.

Because it happened once means that Amazon DID REMOVE those features. It's not a case of not adding. Amazon DID ADD those features and Amazon DID REMOVE those features.

[ApK]

Originally Posted by JSWolf

Because it happened once means that Amazon DID REMOVE those features. It's not a case of not adding. Amazon DID ADD those features and Amazon DID REMOVE those features.

No, it means they designed an entirely new device--new shape, new size, different components, different software, and different model number -- and didn't include those features in the new design.

My bluray player used to play ISO files. It got an update from the manufacture, after which it no longer could play ISO files. THAT is removing a feature.
Anyone who bought that SAME MODEL player packaged after certain date also would find that feature missing. That's removing a feature.
So would it be if Amazon kept selling the K1, and after a certain serial number, the slot stopped being included, or after a software update the slot stopped working.

[Lemurion]

Originally Posted by JSWolf

Because it happened once means that Amazon DID REMOVE those features. It's not a case of not adding. Amazon DID ADD those features and Amazon DID REMOVE those features.

Originally Posted by ApK

No, it means they designed an entirely new device--new shape, new size, different components, different software, and different model number -- and didn't include those features in the new design.

My bluray player used to play ISO files. It got an update from the manufacture, after which it no longer could play ISO files. THAT is removing a feature.
Anyone who bought that SAME MODEL player packaged after certain date also would find that feature missing. That's removing a feature.
So would it be if Amazon kept selling the K1, and after a certain serial number, the slot stopped being included, or after a software update the slot stopped working.

What ApK said.

Removing it would have been doing a second production run of the original Kindle with the card slot blocked off.

[kaufman]

Originally Posted by ApK

No, it means they designed an entirely new device--new shape, new size, different components, different software, and different model number -- and didn't include those features in the new design.

My bluray player used to play ISO files. It got an update from the manufacture, after which it no longer could play ISO files. THAT is removing a feature.
Anyone who bought that SAME MODEL player packaged after certain date also would find that feature missing. That's removing a feature.
So would it be if Amazon kept selling the K1, and after a certain serial number, the slot stopped being included, or after a software update the slot stopped working.

Don't get me wrong. I think the SD slots was an unneeded idea, and I have no problem with them getting rid of it, but I think you are painting this too black and white.

If the next model of your Bluray player doesn't include backward compatibility with standard DVDs, won't you say that Sony (or whoever makes your Bluray player) removed that feature? When OSX 10.6 (I think) no longer would run on Powerpc computers, wouldn't we say that they removed support for the older architecture.

When Amazons comes out with the newer models of the Kindle, they sometimes remove certain features that had been on the older Models. Just because we agree with their decision (as I have in each case), doesn't mean that they haven't removed features from the line.

[eschwartz]

Originally Posted by kaufman

Don't get me wrong. I think the SD slots was an unneeded idea, and I have no problem with them getting rid of it, but I think you are painting this too black and white.

If the next model of your Bluray player doesn't include backward compatibility with standard DVDs, won't you say that Sony (or whoever makes your Bluray player) removed that feature?

Same thing -- new device, different features.
Removal status == NOT

When OSX 10.6 (I think) no longer would run on Powerpc computers, wouldn't we say that they removed support for the older architecture.

OSX versions are not new products. The new version runs on the same computers, so when a specific version drops support for a certain model, then yes, that is removal of a feature of OSX. Just like the Bluray update.
Removal status == YES

When Amazons comes out with the newer models of the Kindle, they sometimes remove certain features that had been on the older Models. Just because we agree with their decision (as I have in each case), doesn't mean that they haven't removed features from the line.

The Kindle line is a series of discrete products.
Removal status == NOT

[tompe]

Originally Posted by Ghitulescu

While this may be true that older people or atechnical ones do not know about an SDcard, but this is not a reason to strip it out.

One reason is that broken card causes a lot of problem. And card that are removed before they are ejected from a computer is also causing a lot of problem. There was a lot of problems that was caused by SD cards reported in the Cybook Gen 3 forum for example.

I am very happy to have a phone and ereader without SD-card since they then can use better quality for all the memory. And I totally hate handling SD cards. The cloud is such a better solution.

[JSWolf]

Give it up folks, Amazon REMOVED features from the Kindle line. kaufman is correct.

[ApK]

Originally Posted by kaufman

Don't get me wrong. I think the SD slots was an unneeded idea, and I have no problem with them getting rid of it, but I think you are painting this too black and white.

If the next model of your Bluray player doesn't include backward compatibility with standard DVDs, won't you say that Sony (or whoever makes your Bluray player) removed that feature? When OSX 10.6 (I think) no longer would run on Powerpc computers, wouldn't we say that they removed support for the older architecture.

When Amazons comes out with the newer models of the Kindle, they sometimes remove certain features that had been on the older Models. Just because we agree with their decision (as I have in each case), doesn't mean that they haven't removed features from the line.

I do not disagree.
But remember, this goes back to this comment:

Originally Posted by Ghitulescu

While this may be true that older people or atechnical ones do not know about an SDcard, but this is not a reason to strip it out.

It's not merely matter of prepositional semantics, which can be correct from either perspective. It's a matter of feeling like you had something stolen from you vs acknowledging that there is a new product that simply wasn't designed with some features that you would like it to have.

I would not buy that Sony bluray player without the DVD compatibility, because I have a lot of DVDs. I'd buy a Kobo LG player that did have the feature I wanted.
If I didn't have DVDs, that feature may not be important to me, and I might buy that player based on it's price/features compared to my needs.

If the market in general stops caring about DVDs and buys mostly players that can't play them, I would expect for most manufactures to stop including that feature in most models.

[JSWolf]

When Amazon made the Kindle Touch and it had no page turn buttons, the people that wanted the page turn buttons said that Amazon took away the page turn buttons. And that's exactly what Amazon did.

[kaufman]

Originally Posted by Ghitulescu

While this may be true that older people or atechnical ones do not know about an SDcard, but this is not a reason to strip it out.

Originally Posted by ApK

It's not merely matter of prepositional semantics, which can be correct from either perspective. It's a matter of feeling like you had something taken from you vs acknowledging that there is a new product that simply wasn't designed with some features that you would like it to have.

I guess, but if he had said:

...but this is not a reason to strip it out of the product line.

would we still be arguing the point? Since his original post could be read that way, perhaps we can just move on to the next issue.

Originally Posted by ApK

To answer your direct question: I would not buy that Sony bluray player without the DVD compatibility, because I have a lot of DVDs. I'd buy a Kobo LG player that did have the feature I wanted.
If I didn't have DVDs, that feature may not be important to me, and I might buy that play based on it's price/features compared to my needs.

By the way, I was just talking about the semantic issue. I wasn't asking this question. Particularly since it addresses why I don't care that they stripped out the SD card and the audio book playback...

...out of the product line.

[eschwartz]

Originally Posted by kaufman

I guess, but if he had said:

...but this is not a reason to strip it out of the product line.

would we still be arguing the point? Since his original post could be read that way, perhaps we can just move on to the next issue.

I thought that was the point we were arguing about.

By the way, I was just talking about the semantic issue. I wasn't asking this question. Particularly since it addresses why I don't care that they stripped out the SD card and the audio book playback...

...out of the product line.

I'm afraid you're wrong there too. (See above.)

[eschwartz]

Originally Posted by JSWolf

When Amazon made the Kindle Touch and it had no page turn buttons, the people that wanted the page turn buttons said that Amazon took away the page turn buttons. And that's exactly what Amazon did.

You are correct that people said that, just as they said Amazon "took away" audio and SD slots.

Unfortunately, you and they are wrong about that too (for the reasons extensively discussed above)....

And I would just like to point out that this post may just be venting, in which case I can understand your purpose, but I cannot fathom how this is supposed to be proof, since all you have done is made a judgment.

[ApK]

Originally Posted by kaufman

By the way, I was just talking about the semantic issue. I wasn't asking this question.

I realized that after I posted. I must have been editing that out while you were replying.

[Readirect]

Originally Posted by kacir

There is another explanation.
Kindle is set up to index all the books you load on it. This can not be switched of or changed without hacking. Like many other things.
When you load dozens of books, you have to leave the Kindle on a charger and put up with a sluggish performance until it finishes indexing. It has to build a database, so when you search for something inside books, it can search very quickly.

Now imagine putting in an SD card with 16 GB of books.

I don't really have to "imagine" it, dude, since I see it everyday on my Nook Gen 2. Without problems. With 32 GB.

Indexing isn't the problem, Amazon's insistence on using their cloud IS the problem and the reason they don't offer an sd card. You can do anything you want, as long as you do it the way Amazon tells you. It seems.

Personally, I'm waiting for reviews of the production version of the Kobo H2o before I tell Amazon "ciao, thanks for the memories but you don't get to tell me how I should be using an e-reader" (and maybe add a [edited - MODERATOR] somewhere along the way).

Am I angry about this? Ya think?