Doctorow on the iPad

[pilotbob]

Originally Posted by mcl

I prefer my iPad Mini: smaller, more portable, with a built-in GPS, camera, and cellphone capability.

For those days when your flow [of reading] is light... the iPad mini!

BOb

[mcl]

Originally Posted by pilotbob

For those days when your flow [of reading] is light... the iPad mini!

BOb

Oh, I wouldn't dream of reading on it. That's what Kindles are for!

[LDBoblo]

Originally Posted by stustaff

so when you said the iPad is 'one of many' and I said name me 2 your response was 2 unavailable future devices and some 'better' devices that arent the same at all.

I gave you such a simple brief too, if its one of many name me a device similiar and you couldnt even name one!

thats why iPad will sell(has sold) so well have any of those better devices sold 300,000 in one day? advertising is part of that but for the people who are buying them they dont want an XYZ that may come out in 6 months and they dont want a higher powered tablet with keyboard.

they want an iPad type device and there arent any others out there!

Indeed, there aren't any good alternatives I can think of right now either. Pretty much everything I've seen in the last...ever...has been crippled by things like shoddy software, terrible touch interface, extraordinarily poor battery life, excessive heft/thickness, heat problems, or any combination of the above.

Apple managed to make a reasonably quick and smooth device that has pretty nice touchscreen integration, pretty good software and support, and a very reasonable form factor with very acceptable battery life. I've not seen all or even most of those features come together in any other tablet device.

I have decided to not bother with an iPad for now because it still has too many little quirks that accumulate and add up to a no-go for me, but despite just being a bigger iPod Touch, it's also the best basic tablet computer I've ever seen. I've seen cooler concepts (like Courier) and even promising prototypes (like Adam), but I haven't seen any better real products. I look forward to Tegra 2 stuff, and I hope there are some awesome products that flesh out this usage paradigm, which netbooks and smartphones are not completely adequate for in my opinion. They aren't here yet though, and there's no promise of them being good when they do arrive.

[Crowl]

Originally Posted by DawnFalcon

No, I read what you posted, which was very poor grammatically, but the meaning was clear - you claimed that I had the same view as you. I do not.

Reread what he posted again then as it seemed quite clear that his intention was not in any way making such a claim and your overreaction to your own misreading was way over the top.

[Crowl]

Originally Posted by DawnFalcon

Right, thanks for the correction.

And piggy-backed, right. Sorry, you're making excuses, given Android has a sixth of the market share. And yes, I'm quite aware - you've made it very plain - that you're very strongly on the corporate side, regardless.

He's not making excuses, he seems to be explaining the reality of the situation pretty well, whether you like them or not, apple have brought a lot of attention to the whole idea of making apps for phones and the range has expanded hugely from the situation before with the likes of winmobile, blackberry etc where apps were available but in fewer numbers and not in any kind of centralised location.

As far as him being strongly on the corporate side, he just seems like he doesn't have the view that apple's appstore isn't destroying the whole world just by its very existence unlike yourself and the truth is that nobody is forced to develop for the iphone/ipad that is their choice and they know the costs and limitations apple set from the outset and still consider it worthwhile and aren't the devs the ones who should be making that choice really?

[Crowl]

Originally Posted by djgreedo

The Android platform has actually caught up with the iPhone in terms of sales now, and it is apparent that Android still has a lot of growth in it, whereas the iPhone has already started to decline (e.g. the geeks have now abandoned the iPhone for the more open platforms, and once Windows Mobile 7 comes out Windows will probably regain a few % of the market and overtake the iPhone).

Unless Apple open up their platform (not likely), the iPhone will have a sharp decline (and, quite frankly, if you look at the figures the iPhone is nowhere near as popular as you would think from all the attention and press it gets).

Considering I work for another smartphone maker, I would be happy to see the above statement being true, but it simply isn't the case, the iphone's marketshare increased by more than android last quarter despite already having a much larger part of the market as it was.

If you are talking globally then rim, apple and android are mostly eating into symbian's marketshare and if you are talking north america then the same three are mostly gaining due to loss of marketshare of palm, winmo and anyone else.

[Crowl]

Originally Posted by djgreedo

For a high turnover product like phones, sales are more important than market share. Android phones now sell the same amount as iPhones.

The current marketshare is about 20% iPhone and 5% Android, but Android is growing more quickly as iPhone has started to slow down in momentum.

Care to produce some figures and clarify whether you are talking about north american market or globally because your figure for apple is about 5% too high if its globally and about 5% too low if its north america.

[Crowl]

Originally Posted by LDBoblo

Apple managed to make a reasonably quick and smooth device that has pretty nice touchscreen integration, pretty good software and support, and a very reasonable form factor with very acceptable battery life. I've not seen all or even most of those features come together in any other tablet device.

I have decided to not bother with an iPad for now because it still has too many little quirks that accumulate and add up to a no-go for me, but despite just being a bigger iPod Touch, it's also the best basic tablet computer I've ever seen. I've seen cooler concepts (like Courier) and even promising prototypes (like Adam), but I haven't seen any better real products. I look forward to Tegra 2 stuff, and I hope there are some awesome products that flesh out this usage paradigm, which netbooks and smartphones are not completely adequate for in my opinion. They aren't here yet though, and there's no promise of them being good when they do arrive.

I have to say that the idea of the ipad has grown on me as more details have shown up, I still doubt I will get one due to the things it lacks hardware-wise, but it certainly seems worth considering due to the alternatives still being vaporware at this point and/or also having their own disadvantages.

At the end of the day I'll choose the device that's the best for me and won't be paying the slightest bit of attention to what bloggers think beyond factual information they can provide.

[ardeegee]

Originally Posted by Crowl

I have to say that the idea of the ipad has grown on me as more details have shown up,

Yes, but are you willing to move above the arctic circle?

https://www.mobileread.com/forums/showthread.php?t=79395

[kennyc]

Originally Posted by ardeegee

Yes, but are you willing to move above the arctic circle?

https://www.mobileread.com/forums/showthread.php?t=79395

Wow. That's unfortunate. Did they not QA this thing?

Maybe it was a 'known issue' - can't really use it in the sun anyway, so why worry too much about overheating.

from ComputerWorld:

http://www.computerworld.com/s/artic...3&pageNumber=1


In good news, my Apple stock is UP!

[Crowl]

Originally Posted by ardeegee

Yes, but are you willing to move above the arctic circle?

https://www.mobileread.com/forums/showthread.php?t=79395

I guess I'll have to move back to the uk if I end up buying one, that should keep the temperature within limits even in the summer.

[DawnFalcon]

Originally Posted by Crowl

Reread what he posted again then as it seemed quite clear that his intention was not in any way making such a claim and your overreaction to your own misreading was way over the top.

He admitted he missed out a critical full stop which completely changed the nature of what he said.

You're making excuses for him. Oh, and the iPad has, erm, heat issues (sigh).

"he doesn't have the view that apple's appstore isn't destroying the whole world just by its very existence unlike yourself "

Lie.

"they know the costs and limitations apple set from the outset"

No, they do not. Apple keep on changing their limitations and many of them are not documented - and moreover they can and have changed the rules retrospectively, removing thousands of applications out of the blue one day. This is, once again a good part of the issue. Sigh.

[stustaff]

Originally Posted by DawnFalcon

He admitted he missed out a critical full stop which completely changed the nature of what he said.

You're making excuses for him. Oh, and the iPad has, erm, heat issues (sigh).

"he doesn't have the view that apple's appstore isn't destroying the whole world just by its very existence unlike yourself "

Lie.

"they know the costs and limitations apple set from the outset"

No, they do not. Apple keep on changing their limitations and many of them are not documented - and moreover they can and have changed the rules retrospectively, removing thousands of applications out of the blue one day. This is, once again a good part of the issue. Sigh.

Without going back over old ground

so in terms of this section I have quoted, the point is that Developers KNOW Aplle may retrospectively do all of that or just decide they dont like the name of the app and remove it!

YOU know that so why do developers not? Answer is that Developers DO know all of that and yet they still choose to develop for it.

thats what is meant when we say 'they(developers know the costs and limitations from the outset'

Apple have done this sort of thing so many times how anyone could claim that a new developer would not know of the risks/limitations of Apples app store is bewildering to me.

[DawnFalcon]

Riight. The fact is, Apple change the grounds for submission on a regular basis, which is not properly documented and is only discovered when apps start getting rejected, or the apps are removed from the store.

(And no, a new dev CANNOT know the risks/limits, since they keep changing! Lol...)

Your arguments in favour of this being good corporate behaviour, erm...

[stustaff]

Originally Posted by DawnFalcon

Riight. The fact is, Apple change the grounds for submission on a regular basis, which is not properly documented and is only discovered when apps start getting rejected, or the apps are removed from the store.

(And no, a new dev CANNOT know the risks/limits, since they keep changing! Lol...)

Your arguments in favour of this being good corporate behaviour, erm...

But thats the point if you know the risks and limits (That apple will may not approve or remove an app for any reason at their ridiculous whim) then a dev must know thoe limitations its been pretty well publicsied everywhere!

Im in favour of it purely from a personel point of view I dont get rubbish on my wifes iphone that causes it to crash or is complicated so no tech support. I on the other hand also KNOW apples limitations so have chosen to jailbreak.