Smart Q7 Tablet - Page 11

ruskie · 05-27-2009, 07:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chippy

I wonder why the delivery costs were so high.
I'm speaking with another reseller that's trying to get this into Europe. Will update if I hear anything concrete.

I think because their delivery service considers Slovenia a high risk area(I so don't get that). Maybe they are confusing us with Slovakia...

Nate the great · 05-27-2009, 07:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ColdSun

I just received an email from the company I ordered the device from. They wanted to let me know they had some users who had success getting Windows CE 6.0 to run on the device using the SD card. Pretty cool.

http://www.eletroworld.cn/nb/Service...in%20SmarQ.htm

And here are screenshots of a very early build of Mer for the SmartQ 7. This isn't ready to be used as your OS on the SmartQ 7 quite yet, but its not far off either. I'm chatting with the Mer team every day to check out their progress. They really are a great bunch over there at maemo.org.

http://www.eletroworld.cn/nb/Service...mer%20team.htm

If you are really in contact with the company, could you please tell them I'd immediately buy a Q7 if it had WinCE.

Nate the great · 05-27-2009, 07:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GuillaumeJay

For such a seedy website, they seem to be great, don't they ?

Windows C.E. is perhaps even better (for me), i'm just not sure it will work well with 128MB. But i don't know anything about windows CE.

I know a fair amount about WinCE, and I love it. But due to the shortage of compatible software I think they should go for Windows Mobile instead.

ColdSun · 05-27-2009, 07:53 AM

Nate,

I'll send them an email today and see if they can pre-load WinCE for you. There might be extra cost involved due to needing the SD card to load the OS. I'll let you know when they get back to me.

ghostyjack · 05-27-2009, 09:59 AM

I work with LCD's for 8hrs a day and read all my books on an N800 and have don't seem to have experienced any of this eyestrain attibuted to LCD's.

Also this flickering mentioned earlier caused by the backlight, does this occur on both CCFL and LED backlights? If it only occurs with CCFL, then as I understand it, LCD manufacturers are stearing away from them in favour of LED backlighting, so this problem should disappear.

stasys · 05-27-2009, 12:33 PM

As I understood, this device can not be used outdoor, so if you want to have a reading device - go to e-ink, or LCD REB1100 (Geb 1250). Until they will put transreflective screen into Q7 I'm not buying it.

Alslayer · 05-27-2009, 02:08 PM

Great review chippy. I totally want this device. I used to have a samsung q1 but it was too expensive to throw around. The Smart Q7 is cheap enough that I won't get upset if it breaks. I might order one in a few weeks.

mobelby · 05-27-2009, 05:48 PM

Coldsun and Chippy,
Thanks for all the info again and the very informative umpc portal review.
I'm trying to be patient and will wait a week or two until coldsun gets his and until there is a mer image that can be loaded onto the q7.

I'm thinking mer with calibre and fbreader loaded and the brightness turned right down would suit me just fine. The only other apps I'm really keen on would be a decent browser, pdf reader, dictionary and an offline copy of wikipedia. That becomes a pretty darned good solution that would hold the fort until the apple tablet/crunchpad/pixel qi tablet comes around.

I'm assuming you can charge this baby through the mini-usb, in which case a 12 hour life is adequate for a home based device.

wwang · 05-27-2009, 06:22 PM

What video formats will it handle? Does it have the capability to do Divx playback without skipping? other formats it can handle or other video formats you know it can't handle?

Sonist · 05-27-2009, 06:58 PM

Is there modulation (due to power-saving implementation, or when the brightness is reduced.)

In other words, can you see flicker (look to the side of the screen, so that it is in your field of vision?)

ColdSun · 05-27-2009, 07:05 PM

It does play Divx, although it could be smoother. The device itself is capable of doing quite a bit better than its stock OS is doing, and we are hoping that the release of Mer on this device will allow optimzation of video and better performance. It plays audio very nicely (I believe it has a Wolfson audio chip), although it won't be replacing your video PMP player performance (especially with chips like the new CC1600 out there for PMPs) any time soon. Since I haven't received the device yet, I can't give you framerate and format specifics, but I think Chippy has done some testing in this regard. Chippy did say that it supports Divx and if videos are converted to work on this device that it performs adequately.

For those of you who want a really good PMP that has a TXT only ebook reader, MP4 Nation carries quite a few from 7" and smaller screen sizes. If video peformance and a low price point is your thing, check out the PMP devices with the China Chip 1600. There is a device called the Chuwi M70 Plus with 8GB and 7" screen that plays videos flawlessly and also has decent ebook functions, but only reads TXT format. The OS is NOT good at all. It has Cirris Logic Audio chipset and supposedly sounds really good. It can play 720p at 30fps and has a very long battery life. Of course, HD video makes the battery run out sooner, I think HD video will still last for 5-6 hours of battery life. Some of these devices have a transreflective screen as well. You just have to look into them and be ready to only use TXT format for ebooks. Here is an example of the PMP I mentioned:

http://mp4nation.net/catalog/index.p...6bb9fc60c50599

Regards,
Cold

mobelby · 05-27-2009, 10:44 PM

Just had a look in a local electronics shop to get a size perspective on the Q7 and they had a bunch of 4 inch, 5 inch, 7 inch and 9 inch digital photo frames. The best of these was a 7 inch sony one, which by coincidence has exactly the same resolution as the Q7 - 800x480. That's a lovely size for an ereader screen.
By contrast I looked at the gps 4.3 inch screens to get an idea of what a nokia 810 might be like and that was too small for me. In fact the five inch photo frames also seemed too small and they've completely put me off the idea of a bebook mini. I think that space is now best occupied by the iphone (and competitors) - a device that you have with you wherever and whenever. I definitely want something a fair bit bigger than a 3.5 inch or 4.3 inch screen for home reading.

CBiggerstaff · 05-27-2009, 11:54 PM

Thank you Chippy for the great review and info. I'm very excited about the Smart Q7. If I had a few more bucks right now I'd have ordered it already. Since I don't, I'm hopeful that once I do it will have reseller(s) in the US.
Does anyone know if it can surf or run locally Zinio? I have a couple magazine subs through them and am always looking for a way to read them in bed. I tried a netbook, but want to hold the device while laying on my back and the Netbook is too heavy and awkward.
FYI I had a slew of questions, but your great video and article answered those.

klikklak · 05-28-2009, 04:29 AM

It's half kilo heavy right? Just how comfortable is it to hold in your hands when your lying on your back (in bed/sofa)? A cooler reader would be under 200g, but half a kilo might be too uncomfortable to read on like this. The ones with one, can you read on lying on your back or is it too uncomfortable?

Project · 05-28-2009, 05:27 AM

I really wanto to buy this, but I would prefer buying from ebay.
As someone else pointed out it is available on ebay (item number 330333324676).

The ebay seller gives this description:

(Note:Thanks for the purchase of Smart Q7. First of all, this OS is in Chinese. You must be very familiar with Ubuntu Linux, and you can install OS in English. we can't supply Technical Services. At present, the Mer team is developing English OS.The English OS 0.12Ver is only a beta version. Please connect with mer team for more information or google them. Thanks a lot!.The AC PLUG is 200-240V.)

Does someone of you knows if this is the same version (regarding operating system and accessories) that www.eletroworld.cn is selling?

On the ebay auction page, they have this link (http://stskeeps.subnetmask.net/mer/0...v0.12.vmdk.zip) to the English firmware, but I've read on this forum that mer is not available for this device yet.

To cut a long story short, do you think that is better to buy from ebay or from the eletroworld site?
I'm in Italy, and shipping from the ebay seller is going to be 55 USD

Thanks in advance for any reply

regards

Project

05-27-2009, 06:22 PM	#159
wwang Connoisseur Posts: 62 Karma: 10 Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: California, USA Device: Palm TX SmartQ 7	Divx playback? What video formats will it handle? Does it have the capability to do Divx playback without skipping? other formats it can handle or other video formats you know it can't handle?

05-27-2009, 11:54 PM	#163
CBiggerstaff Junior Member Posts: 1 Karma: 10 Join Date: May 2009 Device: Smart Q7	Details Thank you Chippy for the great review and info. I'm very excited about the Smart Q7. If I had a few more bucks right now I'd have ordered it already. Since I don't, I'm hopeful that once I do it will have reseller(s) in the US. Does anyone know if it can surf or run locally Zinio? I have a couple magazine subs through them and am always looking for a way to read them in bed. I tried a netbook, but want to hold the device while laying on my back and the Netbook is too heavy and awkward. FYI I had a slew of questions, but your great video and article answered those.

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stasys Zealot Posts: 151 Karma: 676 Join Date: Aug 2007 Device: Kobo Glo, Paperwhite	As I understood, this device can not be used outdoor, so if you want to have a reading device - go to e-ink, or LCD REB1100 (Geb 1250). Until they will put transreflective screen into Q7 I'm not buying it.

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Alslayer Member Posts: 17 Karma: 10 Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Silicon Valley	Great review chippy. I totally want this device. I used to have a samsung q1 but it was too expensive to throw around. The Smart Q7 is cheap enough that I won't get upset if it breaks. I might order one in a few weeks.

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mobelby Zealot Posts: 107 Karma: 224 Join Date: Sep 2008 Device: eeepc 901	Coldsun and Chippy, Thanks for all the info again and the very informative umpc portal review. I'm trying to be patient and will wait a week or two until coldsun gets his and until there is a mer image that can be loaded onto the q7. I'm thinking mer with calibre and fbreader loaded and the brightness turned right down would suit me just fine. The only other apps I'm really keen on would be a decent browser, pdf reader, dictionary and an offline copy of wikipedia. That becomes a pretty darned good solution that would hold the fort until the apple tablet/crunchpad/pixel qi tablet comes around. I'm assuming you can charge this baby through the mini-usb, in which case a 12 hour life is adequate for a home based device.

05-27-2009, 06:58 PM	#160
Sonist Apeist Posts: 2,126 Karma: 381090 Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: The sunny part of California Device: Generic virtual reality story-experiential device	Is there modulation (due to power-saving implementation, or when the brightness is reduced.) In other words, can you see flicker (look to the side of the screen, so that it is in your field of vision?)

05-27-2009, 07:05 PM	#161
ColdSun Developer/Device Reviews Posts: 591 Karma: 22183 Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Phoenix, AZ Device: Sony Xperia Tablet Z, Kindle Paperwhite 2, Lenovo Yoga 8, IPad 3	It does play Divx, although it could be smoother. The device itself is capable of doing quite a bit better than its stock OS is doing, and we are hoping that the release of Mer on this device will allow optimzation of video and better performance. It plays audio very nicely (I believe it has a Wolfson audio chip), although it won't be replacing your video PMP player performance (especially with chips like the new CC1600 out there for PMPs) any time soon. Since I haven't received the device yet, I can't give you framerate and format specifics, but I think Chippy has done some testing in this regard. Chippy did say that it supports Divx and if videos are converted to work on this device that it performs adequately. For those of you who want a really good PMP that has a TXT only ebook reader, MP4 Nation carries quite a few from 7" and smaller screen sizes. If video peformance and a low price point is your thing, check out the PMP devices with the China Chip 1600. There is a device called the Chuwi M70 Plus with 8GB and 7" screen that plays videos flawlessly and also has decent ebook functions, but only reads TXT format. The OS is NOT good at all. It has Cirris Logic Audio chipset and supposedly sounds really good. It can play 720p at 30fps and has a very long battery life. Of course, HD video makes the battery run out sooner, I think HD video will still last for 5-6 hours of battery life. Some of these devices have a transreflective screen as well. You just have to look into them and be ready to only use TXT format for ebooks. Here is an example of the PMP I mentioned: http://mp4nation.net/catalog/index.p...6bb9fc60c50599 Regards, Cold

05-27-2009, 10:44 PM	#162
mobelby Zealot Posts: 107 Karma: 224 Join Date: Sep 2008 Device: eeepc 901	Just had a look in a local electronics shop to get a size perspective on the Q7 and they had a bunch of 4 inch, 5 inch, 7 inch and 9 inch digital photo frames. The best of these was a 7 inch sony one, which by coincidence has exactly the same resolution as the Q7 - 800x480. That's a lovely size for an ereader screen. By contrast I looked at the gps 4.3 inch screens to get an idea of what a nokia 810 might be like and that was too small for me. In fact the five inch photo frames also seemed too small and they've completely put me off the idea of a bebook mini. I think that space is now best occupied by the iphone (and competitors) - a device that you have with you wherever and whenever. I definitely want something a fair bit bigger than a 3.5 inch or 4.3 inch screen for home reading.

05-28-2009, 04:29 AM	#164
klikklak Connoisseur Posts: 86 Karma: 124 Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: helsinki Device: nokia 770, PRS-500	It's half kilo heavy right? Just how comfortable is it to hold in your hands when your lying on your back (in bed/sofa)? A cooler reader would be under 200g, but half a kilo might be too uncomfortable to read on like this. The ones with one, can you read on lying on your back or is it too uncomfortable?

05-28-2009, 05:27 AM	#165
Project Enthusiast Posts: 27 Karma: 10 Join Date: May 2009 Device: none	I really wanto to buy this, but I would prefer buying from ebay. As someone else pointed out it is available on ebay (item number 330333324676). The ebay seller gives this description: (Note:Thanks for the purchase of Smart Q7. First of all, this OS is in Chinese. You must be very familiar with Ubuntu Linux, and you can install OS in English. we can't supply Technical Services. At present, the Mer team is developing English OS.The English OS 0.12Ver is only a beta version. Please connect with mer team for more information or google them. Thanks a lot!.The AC PLUG is 200-240V.) Does someone of you knows if this is the same version (regarding operating system and accessories) that www.eletroworld.cn is selling? On the ebay auction page, they have this link (http://stskeeps.subnetmask.net/mer/0...v0.12.vmdk.zip) to the English firmware, but I've read on this forum that mer is not available for this device yet. To cut a long story short, do you think that is better to buy from ebay or from the eletroworld site? I'm in Italy, and shipping from the ebay seller is going to be 55 USD Thanks in advance for any reply regards Project

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