Seriously thoughtful The NEW Covid Vaccination Poll

[ownedbycats]

Originally Posted by ownedbycats

But I'm still nervous. All it takes is one person traveling in while infected with a variant and then breaking the 14-day quarantine rule.

Or even better, people who do quarantine for 14 days... but invite all their friends over for a party. Now we're in outbreak.

[binaryhermit]

I mean, I'm kinda envious of those who have been able to not leave their home for 13 months...
Not because I would do so, but because they have the privilege to be able to pull that off and I don't

[synecdoche]

I got my first shot (of AstraZeneca) yesterday afternoon! Not much in the way of side effects. I've had a headache since last night (seems to be abating this morning) and my arm is sore, but I get headaches now and then at the best of times so it might have been unrelated.

My wife gets hers on Saturday. It feels a bit like a light at the end of the tunnel—the roll-out has been slow where I live, and our provincial government doesn't inspire much confidence—but it's still probably not going to change much for us day to day for a while. The cases where I live have been dropping though, and the graphs show that the populations that are most vaccinated (e.g. 65+) didn't increase in cases the way the younger, unvaccinated groups did, which is a good sign.

I wish there was a better understanding of what behaviours are risky and safe post-vaccination. We're probably weeks away from getting our second shots—our health officials have right now said it can go up to 4 months—but it'd be nice to go visit the in-laws again so our seven-year-old can spend time with his grandparents. Who knows how long it will be before he will get a shot. And then my family is on the other side of the country, and I haven't seen them in a year and a half at this point. I was planning a trip out their way right when everything went crazy last spring and so it didn't happen.

[4691mls]

Originally Posted by synecdoche

I got my first shot (of AstraZeneca) yesterday afternoon! Not much in the way of side effects. I've had a headache since last night (seems to be abating this morning) and my arm is sore, but I get headaches now and then at the best of times so it might have been unrelated.

My wife gets hers on Saturday. It feels a bit like a light at the end of the tunnel—the roll-out has been slow where I live, and our provincial government doesn't inspire much confidence—but it's still probably not going to change much for us day to day for a while. The cases where I live have been dropping though, and the graphs show that the populations that are most vaccinated (e.g. 65+) didn't increase in cases the way the younger, unvaccinated groups did, which is a good sign.

I wish there was a better understanding of what behaviours are risky and safe post-vaccination. We're probably weeks away from getting our second shots—our health officials have right now said it can go up to 4 months—but it'd be nice to go visit the in-laws again so our seven-year-old can spend time with his grandparents. Who knows how long it will be before he will get a shot. And then my family is on the other side of the country, and I haven't seen them in a year and a half at this point. I was planning a trip out their way right when everything went crazy last spring and so it didn't happen.

That's good to hear that cases are dropping among the most vaccinated groups.

Just before this all started last year, I was making plans to meet a friend in a city where neither of us lives for a weekend visit. Obviously that didn't happen.... My friend has been fully vaccinated and I will be getting my 2nd dose next week, but we still aren't making travel plans.

I can understand it feels more urgent though for grandparents/grandchildren. Young children change so fast and grandparents want to see them before they grow up. Plus if the grandparents are older you always have in the back of your mind that each visit could be the last.

[binaryhermit]

I had planned to take my one week of paid vacation in April and take an Amtrak train to Carbondale in late April, fortunately the pandemic got bad before I actually put in for my vacation (EDIT: as opposed to after I put in for my vacation. Ideally it wouldn't have gotten bad at all.)

[poohbear_nc]

Originally Posted by binaryhermit

I mean, I'm kinda envious of those who have been able to not leave their home for 13 months...
Not because I would do so, but because they have the privilege to be able to pull that off and I don't

Don't be too envious. We had to take extreme measures b/c of our medical conditions, and I am eternally grateful to Amazon Prime and Instacart for allowing us to survive entirely with delivered stuff.... but I can't express the relief, and almost giddy joy, of returning to the grocery store in person ... and buying paper towel by the roll, instead of the case.

Vaccinations aren't 100% perfect, but they do give you back at least part of your 'normal' life.

[OtinG]

Originally Posted by poohbear_nc

Don't be too envious. We had to take extreme measures b/c of our medical conditions, and I am eternally grateful to Amazon Prime and Instacart for allowing us to survive entirely with delivered stuff.... but I can't express the relief, and almost giddy joy, of returning to the grocery store in person ... and buying paper towel by the roll, instead of the case.

Vaccinations aren't 100% perfect, but they do give you back at least part of your 'normal' life.

Plus one on the Amazon Prime home deliveries and Walmart’s grocery shopping service! I order and pay for my groceries online, Walmart does the shopping part, then I go pick them up. I never have to get out of my car as they bring them out to me an put them in the back of my SUV. I could get them delivered, but I need to conserve money as it is tight these days. Walmart charges for home delivery of groceries, but they don’t charge for doing the shopping for you.

[OtinG]

The CDC has voted to resume the use of the J&J vaccine in US stating the need outweighs the minor risk. To date there have only been 15 cases in the US, 3 fatal, of blood clots related to the vaccine.

[haertig]

Originally Posted by OtinG

The CDC has voted to resume the use of the J&J vaccine in US stating the need outweighs the minor risk. To date there have only been 15 cases in the US, 3 fatal, of blood clots related to the vaccine.

The problem they will have now, is nobody will want to take the J&J vaccine, and this will have negative affects on the speed at which vaccinations can be rolled out.

[OtinG]

Originally Posted by haertig

The problem they will have now, is nobody will want to take the J&J vaccine, and this will have negative affects on the speed at which vaccinations can be rolled out.

The blood clots have been limited to women, and 15 cases out of 8 million doses is extremely small. That is 1 in every 533,333 for all people, but a greater chance for women of course. No doubt it will scare a lot of people though, especially women. But to put it in perspective, scientist say you have a 1 in 15,300 chance of being struck by lighting during your lifetime if you live to be 80 years old. Thus it is 35 times more likely you will get struck by lightning in an 80 year lifetime than develop blood clots after taking the J&J vaccine. Plus they don’t even know whether the clots are even related to the J&J vaccine.

[BetterRed]

For people who aren't statisticians, comparing the chance of random accidental events such being struck by lightning, or being run over by a bus with getting sick or dying as a result of allowing someone to inject a substance into your arm are a nonsense.

Healthcare workers cancelling AstraZeneca jab appointments, waiting for Pfizer

The clotting has now been associated with both WHO approved adeno-viral vector vaccines. There's seems to be a common belief that these vaccines are similar to existing vaccines - they're not, in many respects they are as novel as the mRNA vaccines ==>> May 12, 2020 - Adenoviral vectors are the new COVID-19 vaccine front-runners. Can they overcome their checkered past?

We're in panic mode over a couple of transmission events between people in quarantine detention and another three instances of AZ vaccine induced clots - one in an 80 year old man.

If our government experts, who've have kept covid under control here say the clotting is caused by viral vector vaccines I'm inclined to believe them. Especially as it isn't in the interest of the government politicians who bet their shirts, and probably their futures, on one of them - Astra Zeneca/Oxford.

BR

[binaryhermit]

Still, I suspect you're way more likely to have a major complication from going to get the shot that's not directly from the shot than to have a major complication from the shot itself.

[OtinG]

I’m not sure what percentage of J&J vaccinated people are women, but I suspect way more women have gotten the vaccine than men. Since the percentage is zero for men, so far, we really should remove them from the calculation. So 1 in 533,333 is more like 1 in 267,000 if 50% were women and 1 in 320,000 if 60% were women. However, I understand being hesitant even at that extremely small chance.

[BetterRed]

Originally Posted by binaryhermit

Still, I suspect you're way more likely to have a major complication from going to get the shot that's not directly from the shot than to have a major complication from the shot itself.

But I will only take two trips (or one if I could get the J&J) to get vaccinated, in the same period I will take many similar trips for other reasons.

My perception is influenced by the fact that I live in a state of 8M where more people have died from Astra-Zeneca in 2021 than from Covid-19, and where more people have acquired Astra-Zeneca clots in the past month than have acquired corona virus within the community.

There have been 93 deaths on the roads this year (many more injuries of course) - the number of journeys would be what? Lets say 4 a week per person - so 93 dead from 512 billion journeys. near enough to 1:5,000,000. I am not sure how many people have received the AZ vaccine - but it wouldn't even be 500,000.

BR

[binaryhermit]

Yeah, well, if you're in America with the "BUT MY FREEDUMBS" crowd... Illinois had over 3k cases and 22 deaths reported today... But there's clearly uneven levels of lag in some of the totals, back last April there'd be a day with 150 deaths between 2 with like 50 deaths or something like that