Seriously thoughtful The Covid Vaccination Poll

[issybird]

Originally Posted by DiapDealer

I'm in the unusual position of having chosen to shelter in place with my 84 year old father. I worried for months and months that I was going to drag something back to him. Working from home... curbside pickup for groceries... online ordering for everything else--the works. Now that he's two weeks past his second Moderna shot, he's itching to start "getting back out there".

I can't blame him (he's got two daughters that are vaccinated and a great-grandson he's only seen in the flesh a couple of times from a distance), but I have to gently remind him that the roles have reversed now. I'd like him to return the favor of doing everything in his power not to drag something back to me. Especially since the official answer to "Can someone who's been vaccinated still transmit the virus?" is still "we don't know".

There’s an article in the Guardian this evening, saying that 40% of the over-80s who’ve been vaccinated have broken the Covid rules since.

[poohbear_nc]

Originally Posted by DiapDealer

I'm in the unusual position of having chosen to shelter in place with my 84 year old father. I worried for months and months that I was going to drag something back to him. Working from home... curbside pickup for groceries... online ordering for everything else--the works. Now that he's two weeks past his second Moderna shot, he's itching to start "getting back out there".

I can't blame him (he's got two daughters that are vaccinated and a great-grandson he's only seen in the flesh a couple of times from a distance), but I have to gently remind him that the roles have reversed now. I'd like him to return the favor of doing everything in his power not to drag something back to me. Especially since the official answer to "Can someone who's been vaccinated still transmit the virus?" is still "we don't know".

My late partner and I were in a similar situation - one vaccinated and one not - we agreed on a mutual veto policy - each of us could veto the other's suggested activity - with no arguments or repercussions.

[ownedbycats]

Originally Posted by DiapDealer

Especially since the official answer to "Can someone who's been vaccinated still transmit the virus?" is still "we don't know".

This is what i am afraid of in my region—once they get all the older people vaccinated that they will start dropping the restrictions because "ECONOMY IS MORE IMPORTANT", even though younger high-risks still have no protection!

I am tired of being the one everyone is willing to sacrifice.

[Almamida]

Originally Posted by issybird

There’s an article in the Guardian this evening, saying that 40% of the over-80s who’ve been vaccinated have broken the Covid rules since.

I definitely don't look forward for the boomer generation in my family to get their vaccine, I expect these numbers to go even higher.
(in fact I look forward but I'm bitter by their behaviour, blaming the younger generations while they can't cope with the basic safety rules, social distancing or even lockdowns... )

Originally Posted by poohbear_nc

My late partner and I were in a similar situation - one vaccinated and one not - we agreed on a mutual veto policy - each of us could veto the other's suggested activity - with no arguments or repercussions.

We've decided to play it the same way with my partner. He's older and more at risk, but at the end I'm the one vetoing for anything I find unsafe

Originally Posted by ownedbycats

This is what i am afraid of in my region—once they get all the older people vaccinated that they will start dropping the restrictions because "ECONOMY IS MORE IMPORTANT", even though younger high-risks still have no protection!

I am tired of being the one everyone is willing to sacrifice.

I live in the same situation via my partner. If it makes you feel better, I tried to think the other way. If we were to get vaccinated before and they would be reopening the economy, I would still self isolate until 70% of the population around is vaccinated.

[OtinG]

Originally Posted by Almamida

I definitely don't look forward for the boomer generation in my family to get their vaccine, I expect these numbers to go even higher.
(in fact I look forward but I'm bitter by their behaviour, blaming the younger generations while they can't cope with the basic safety rules, social distancing or even lockdowns... )

Well sounds like you have some "blame game" going on too.

I'm a boomer, as are my siblings and cousins. What I’ve seen among my generation in my family and among my friends is a fairly strong sense of staying safe, wearing masks, staying out of public places, and social distancing. I’ve seen way more unsafe social behavior among the younger crowds, but over all I would say every generation seems to have way too many who are being very unsafe in a social manner. I don't see this as a generational blame game moment. I see it as a problem of ignorance and lack of understanding of just how dangerous this pandemic is. Way too many are falling in line with political beliefs rather than engaging their brains to decide what is the best course of action for themselves, their families, their friends, and society in general.

[Almamida]

Originally Posted by OtinG

Well sounds like you have some "blame game" going on too.

I'm a boomer, as are my siblings and cousins. What I’ve seen among my generation in my family and among my friends is a fairly strong sense of staying safe, wearing masks, staying out of public places, and social distancing. I’ve seen way more unsafe social behavior among the younger crowds, but over all I would say every generation seems to have way too many who are being very unsafe in a social manner. I don't see this as a generational blame game moment. I see it as a problem of ignorance and lack of understanding of just how dangerous this pandemic is. Way too many are falling in line with political beliefs rather than engaging their brains to decide what is the best course of action for themselves, their families, their friends, and society in general.

This was targeting my family. Not talking of anybody else. We can't really tell, we're really isolating from the world.
But seeing my parents visiting my siblings, insisting on having their grand-children... I'm just glad I'm living far enough, so they can't try to convince /guilt trip me to visit.

[astrangerhere]

Just got my first shot! I am tired and a little achy, but I scheduled it on a Friday just so I would have the weekend to recover if need be.

[Almamida]

Originally Posted by ownedbycats

This is what i am afraid of in my region—once they get all the older people vaccinated that they will start dropping the restrictions because "ECONOMY IS MORE IMPORTANT", even though younger high-risks still have no protection!

I am tired of being the one everyone is willing to sacrifice.

Been thinking of you.

Ontario finally produced a document, mentioning people at risk, with their definition and when they fall in the rollout schedule.
My partner is now recognized at the top of the list of at-risk people and can hope to get vaccinated starting next month at the earliest.
As a primary caregiver I can hope to get mine at the same time as non medical frontline workers, at the end of the phase 2 (probably around June)

Maybe it will influence other provinces to do the same.

[haertig]

I've noticed that a while back, some younger folks refused to wear masks to protect the older folks. Now that the older folks have been vaccinated, the younger folks are wanting the older folks to wear masks to protect them (the younger folks). This may not be true for all younger folks, but it is for at least some of them. I still wear a mask even though I've been fully vaccinated, trying to help keep everyone else safe. But that will not continue forever. I do not believe that the vaccinated have now turned into hordes of Typhoid Marys.

Then you have the real idiots, like one of my relatives that I won't name, who say they don't trust the vaccine and don't want to get it. But think that other people - vaccinated people - need to continue wearing masks to protect people like her, who refuse the vaccine.

Yeah, right. I don't think things are going to play out exactly like she hopes.

There's coming a time, sooner rather than later, where people are going to tell Triple-Mask-Fauci and the Lockdown-Governors exactly where to stick it. Once everyone has been offered the vaccine (regardless if they choose to take it or not), the masks will come off and everything will reopen. None of this crap like we're currently hearing: "We will be wearing masks well into 2022" or "Things will never get back to normal". The biggest problem with this pandemic has not been the virus (even though the virus is bad enough), it has been the governments response to it.

[OtinG]

Originally Posted by haertig

...The biggest problem with this pandemic has not been the virus (even though the virus is bad enough), it has been the governments response to it.

I would say the biggest problem has been the politicians's response to the pandemic. Many powerful politicians played down the severity of the threat for months and months. In my state, our Lt. Governor said he was willing to sacrifice old people to the pandemic to achieve herd immunity. Our Governor repeatedly tried to counter mask wearing and gathering regulations put in place by counties and cities, and has now announced the end of the mask mandate and is reopening businesses 100%. The bureaucrats are doing the best they can in a highly divided country, but the great dividers, the politicians, are mucking up the works!

There will always be anti-vaxxers and assorted idiots and some folks who mean well but just can’t manage to grip reality. The politicians should have been helping to convince those people to social distance, wear masks, and get vaccinated. Many politicians did their best, but many tried to interfere every chance they got.

[Almamida]

Originally Posted by haertig

I've noticed that a while back, some younger folks refused to wear masks to protect the older folks. Now that the older folks have been vaccinated, the younger folks are wanting the older folks to wear masks to protect them (the younger folks). This may not be true for all younger folks, but it is for at least some of them. I still wear a mask even though I've been fully vaccinated, trying to help keep everyone else safe. But that will not continue forever. I do not believe that the vaccinated have now turned into hordes of Typhoid Marys.

Then you have the real idiots, like one of my relatives that I won't name, who say they don't trust the vaccine and don't want to get it. But think that other people - vaccinated people - need to continue wearing masks to protect people like her, who refuse the vaccine.

Yeah, right. I don't think things are going to play out exactly like she hopes.

There's coming a time, sooner rather than later, where people are going to tell Triple-Mask-Fauci and the Lockdown-Governors exactly where to stick it. Once everyone has been offered the vaccine (regardless if they choose to take it or not), the masks will come off and everything will reopen. None of this crap like we're currently hearing: "We will be wearing masks well into 2022" or "Things will never get back to normal". The biggest problem with this pandemic has not been the virus (even though the virus is bad enough), it has been the governments response to it.

I think you have more in common with your relative than you think.

[haertig]

Originally Posted by Almamida

I think you have more in common with your relative than you think.

And then there are the ones who think they are special and more deserving than others, and thus should be moved to the front of the line.

The problem is, there's an "I'm more special than you" person coming out from every nook and cranny. You can't sort through all the reasons for entitlement that are being claimed. There's no path to victory when you have to navigate that mess. "By age" is really the only way to handle things, since age is the biggest factor in predicting outcome from the disease.

[ownedbycats]

Originally Posted by haertig

"By age" is really the only way to handle things, since age is the biggest factor in predicting outcome from the disease.

https://catalyst.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/CAT.21.0051

A cross-sectional study of 64,858,460 patients across 547 health care organizations reveals that having an intellectual disability was the strongest independent risk factor for presenting with a Covid-19 diagnosis and the strongest independent risk factor other than age for Covid-19 mortality.

Old age means you're more likely to die from it, but intellectual disability increases the risk of getting it to begin with.

[pdurrant]

The UK has just started accepting bookings for people over 55 (was over 60). My two vaccination doses are now booked in.

[haertig]

Originally Posted by ownedbycats

Old age means you're more likely to die from it, but intellectual disability increases the risk of getting it to begin with.

As does dementia. I think the problem there is not understanding why things are different, why you cannot touch everything you used to, the need to wash hands more frequently, the need to avoid close personal contact, etc. I would imagine that intellectual disability increases the risk of getting any disease, as well as the risk of having an accident, pretty much it would increase the risk of unintentional bad things happening to you from any cause. This risk increases further (for virus spread) when living in a group facility with others who share the disability. The risk should decrease (relative to a group facility) when living individually with someone else who can help with care.