Bob Dylan wins Nobel Prize for Literature - Page 11

theducks · 10-22-2016, 08:58 PM

Ya know, if I don't answer the phone... I might not be in a position to do so

Some people do not Live on their phone. Some do not even turn on their Mobile

for days

Seems the 'Arrogant' label belongs to the committee

meeera · 10-22-2016, 09:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by doubleshuffle

However, even if one accepts the argument that "proper" poetry must hold up without any accompanying music (and I do see the merits of this argument: there are - and even Dylan has written - lots of lyrics that are an embarrassment if read out loud), I contend that Dylan has written quite a few lyrics that are great poetry and work very well without the music.

Agreed entirely. I'm very surprised that there are still some people arguing that lyrics aren't poetry. Heck, I went to a very conservative school, and even way back in the 1980s we were studying song lyrics in senior English Literature classes.

As for the rather tangential question of whether they've been published in paper book form:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Lyrics-1962.../dp/0743231015

Apache · 10-23-2016, 08:36 AM

I have always thought some songs are nothing more than poetry set to music. Try reading the lyrics of some songs without the music.
Apache

HarryT · 10-23-2016, 08:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by theducks

Ya know, if I don't answer the phone... I might not be in a position to do so

Some people do not Live on their phone. Some do not even turn on their Mobile

for days

Are you seriously suggesting that lack of access to communication devices is the reason that Mr Dylan hasn't been in touch with the Academy?

Alpha o · 10-23-2016, 08:54 AM

If he's working on a new creative project, he just might not want to be disturbed.

I can understand that. If I'm doing the yearly calendars for the family and working in Photoshop with my pics, I don't want to be bothered. Period.

HarryT · 10-23-2016, 08:56 AM

I'm sure that he has a communications staff who could have replied on his behalf.

HappyMartin · 10-23-2016, 09:00 AM

Dylan has always been difficult. This not responding is entirely in character. Fortunately being polite and socially adept is not a criterion for winning a Nobel prize in any catagory. If it was a whole lot of physicists would have missed out on a bonus.

I am pleased he won the award but then I'm not educated and modern poetry is generally incomprehensible to me. Finally a winner where I don't have to trust the opinions of experts as to the validity of the recipient. I. Sorry the committee are hurt regarding his response. Frankly I'm surprised that they didn't anticipate it. Be like expecting Einstein to show up with a nice haircut.

HarryT · 10-23-2016, 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by HappyMartin

Dylan has always been difficult. This not responding is entirely in character. Fortunately being polite and socially adept is not a criterion for winning a Nobel prize in any catagory. If it was a whole lot of physicists would have missed out on a bonus.

I suppose they can at least be grateful that he hasn't (yet) turned it down, as Jean-Paul Sartre did.

BearMountainBooks · 10-23-2016, 09:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HappyMartin

Dylan has always been difficult. This not responding is entirely in character. Fortunately being polite and socially adept is not a criterion for winning a Nobel prize in any catagory. If it was a whole lot of physicists would have missed out on a bonus.

I am pleased he won the award but then I'm not educated and modern poetry is generally incomprehensible to me. Finally a winner where I don't have to trust the opinions of experts as to the validity of the recipient. I. Sorry the committee are hurt regarding his response. Frankly I'm surprised that they didn't anticipate it. Be like expecting Einstein to show up with a nice haircut.

Love the Einstein comment! So true.

If the prize is to honor Dylan, they have no right to be upset at his lack of "expected" response. They sound like they wanted HIM to fawn over THEM for picking him.

HarryT · 10-23-2016, 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by BearMountainBooks

If the prize is to honor Dylan, they have no right to be upset at his lack of "expected" response. They sound like they wanted HIM to fawn over THEM for picking him.

I think I'd be quite grateful if someone were to award me a Nobel Prize

. It's just common courtesy, surely, to say "thank you"?

pynch · 10-23-2016, 09:42 AM

If he picks his prize up at the ceremony, I’m sure he’s going to say thank you. No need to do it before, though.

pwalker8 · 10-23-2016, 09:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HappyMartin

Dylan has always been difficult. This not responding is entirely in character. Fortunately being polite and socially adept is not a criterion for winning a Nobel prize in any catagory. If it was a whole lot of physicists would have missed out on a bonus.

I am pleased he won the award but then I'm not educated and modern poetry is generally incomprehensible to me. Finally a winner where I don't have to trust the opinions of experts as to the validity of the recipient. I. Sorry the committee are hurt regarding his response. Frankly I'm surprised that they didn't anticipate it. Be like expecting Einstein to show up with a nice haircut.

Yep, Dylan has long been notorious for being oblivious to the social graces and focused on music. If you think Mozart as portrayed in Amadeus, then you wouldn't be far off the mark.

HarryT · 10-23-2016, 09:47 AM

This was Doris Lessing's reaction to the news:

doubleshuffle · 10-23-2016, 09:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HarryT

I think I'd be quite grateful if someone were to award me a Nobel Prize

. It's just common courtesy, surely, to say "thank you"?

Well, in recent years, when October came round and Dylan once again didn't win the Nobel, some of the real hardcore Dylan nutcases aficionados on their fan forums would go on about how Dylan didn't need the Nobel, but the Nobel needed Dylan in order to regain relevance. So perhaps the Swedish Academy should thank him once he has found the time to acknowledge the prize.

doubleshuffle · 10-23-2016, 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by pynch

If he picks his prize up at the ceremony, I’m sure he’s going to say thank you. No need to do it before, though.

No, but it seems to be customary for the recipient to tell the Academy in a few words that they are grateful, and whether they intend to accept the award and to attend the ceremony. And I really don't think that's asking too much. But it's Bob, so there...

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theducks Well trained by Cats Posts: 31,079 Karma: 60358908 Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: The Central Coast of California Device: Kobo Libra2,Kobo Aura2v1, K4NT(Fixed: New Bat.), Galaxy Tab A	Ya know, if I don't answer the phone... I might not be in a position to do so Some people do not Live on their phone. Some do not even turn on their Mobile for days Seems the 'Arrogant' label belongs to the committee

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Apache Readaholic Posts: 5,279 Karma: 90000484 Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: South Georgia Device: Surface Pro 6 / Galaxy Tab A 8"	I have always thought some songs are nothing more than poetry set to music. Try reading the lyrics of some songs without the music. Apache

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Alpha o Addict Posts: 282 Karma: 2603524 Join Date: Jan 2015 Device: Onyx Boox Darwin, inkBOOK Obsidian	If he's working on a new creative project, he just might not want to be disturbed. I can understand that. If I'm doing the yearly calendars for the family and working in Photoshop with my pics, I don't want to be bothered. Period.

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HarryT eBook Enthusiast Posts: 85,556 Karma: 93383099 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: UK Device: Kindle Oasis 2, iPad Pro 10.5", iPhone 6	I'm sure that he has a communications staff who could have replied on his behalf.

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HappyMartin Martin Kristiansen Posts: 1,546 Karma: 8480958 Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Johannesburg Device: Kindle International Ipad 2	Dylan has always been difficult. This not responding is entirely in character. Fortunately being polite and socially adept is not a criterion for winning a Nobel prize in any catagory. If it was a whole lot of physicists would have missed out on a bonus. I am pleased he won the award but then I'm not educated and modern poetry is generally incomprehensible to me. Finally a winner where I don't have to trust the opinions of experts as to the validity of the recipient. I. Sorry the committee are hurt regarding his response. Frankly I'm surprised that they didn't anticipate it. Be like expecting Einstein to show up with a nice haircut.

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pynch why in? Posts: 1,630 Karma: 29896776 Join Date: Apr 2012 Device: Sony PRS-350, Kobo Aura	If he picks his prize up at the ceremony, I’m sure he’s going to say thank you. No need to do it before, though.

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HarryT eBook Enthusiast Posts: 85,556 Karma: 93383099 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: UK Device: Kindle Oasis 2, iPad Pro 10.5", iPhone 6	This was Doris Lessing's reaction to the news:

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