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This app is none of that. Far better to read reviews, use ratings and tags to filter out inappropriate books. I note that OpenDNS blocks websites entirely, because they are bad websites. The app allows you to read the book, it simply plays "cipher" with some of the words -- in a very predictable pattern. It does not either change the meaning of the contextual flow. Not much of a tool, which is why it is absentee-landlord-style parenting. Responsible parents use tools that work. |
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I think there are very few pure-text eBooks that are unsuitable for children. A book on how to make explosives would be an exception. Hopefully such are not available as eBooks. If I am wrong, I request this not be disproved in a public forum. Maybe if I read the Fifty Shades series, I would consider those harmful to children. Some books I read would bore most children. But I can't think of any that would be positively harmful. Quote:
Parents should pick their battles. So long as a pure-text book is available for free from the library, whether a paper book or an eBook, stopping the child from reading it seems to me a poor battle to pick. And if the parent has the opposite problem (child doesn't like to read), stopping the child from reading one of the few books he or she is willing to read seems to me an equally poor strategy. Also, a lot of parents can't do a good job of interpreting literature. So if they tried to take an active part, they might easily bollix up the job. Think of some of the overly literal critical readings of Harry Potter. Better they run books through Clean Reader and not overthink what was missed. Last edited by SteveEisenberg; 03-30-2015 at 08:47 PM. |
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As a parent of a literate young adult, my role in his reading is to give him plenty of books for Christmas and birthdays, to model reading for pleasure and information, and to make sure he has a library card. |
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I've known kids who picked up Dan Simmons, Marion Zimmer Bradley, the Pern books, etc, in elementary school, and to this day refuse to consider reading anything else by those authors because the experience was so bad. They simply weren't ready for it. It's the same as video games and other art - different people are simply different, and need to manage their art experiences appropriately. Parents should be the ones guiding kids down appropriate avenues of exploration until the kids are old enough to make their own decisions, which varies by content type and by the kid involved. No one in this thread is trying to stop kids from reading. I'm really not sure where you got that. Different people are expressing varying levels of comfort with certain content, and one group is being insulted because of their preferences. On a side note, it's interesting that the art form dictates how people react to age guidelines. Everyone's OK with R / 16+ ratings, people have tried to ban violent video games for ages, but as soon as people suggest that swearing in books isn't universally approved cries of censorship ring from every corner. P.S. Anne MacCaffrey is the worst at misleading marketing. She's got books that look so much like they're aimed at the YA market - dragons/unicorn girl/plucky female half-elf on bright covers - but they're really not and it can be confusing and upsetting. David Drake's covers can also be misleading - his War God's series look like straightforward action adventures, but end up having graphic torture/rape scenes. I really wish there was a screening app that could look for content, that would have saved some people a few nasty surprises. Last edited by Rbneader; 03-31-2015 at 12:07 AM. |
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I read a whole pile of 'adult' books as a kid. Lots and lots and lots of them. I've not doubt some of the people in this thread would have tried to stop me. I'm very glad that my parents didn't. And either way, fudgifying certain words would absolutely make no difference to any of this, apart from adding confusion and/or entertainment value, inserting a whole lot of groins into fairytales, and taking Jesus Christ out of the bible and out of religious texts. Lastly? Where some parents are trying to censor their young adults' reading for bigoted reasons - refusing, to take one very common example, to let them read young adult books with gay storylines - I can and will say loudly and strongly that those parents are making a bad parenting choice. And I make no apologies for that. Last edited by meeera; 03-31-2015 at 12:02 AM. |
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I'll repeat - it depends on the kid. That's why having a broad range of tools is so important, because one kid will be fine with content that will give another kid screaming nightmares. That you were fine is great (although perhaps your parents managed your reading material more than you think - memory is fickle and parents can be very sneaky), but every kid is different, and the tools to identify appropriate content are woefully inadequate to modern information systems. Why are Disney movies so popular? Because parents know they don't need to exhaustively review them before letting their 9 year olds watch the movies. The parents who disagree with you can and do state their opinion that your choices are bad. That's ok - their kids are not your kids and vice versa. It's perfectly OK for people to make different choices in raising children. What's NOT ok is the way people are screaming at and denigrating some very mild forms of managing reading material. Shaming parents who need or want a censoring app is entirely unacceptable, just like it would be unacceptable for very conservative parents to try to shame you for your parenting choices. There are a lot of very angry people trying limit others' choices in this thread and elsewhere wherever this app is brought up, and the culprits are not the social conservatives. |
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FWIW, I don't find the use of this app to be particularly shameful - but I do find it to be hilariously misguided and utterly ineffective. And I am well aware that there are many conservative parents who would definitely attempt to shame me for a whole gamut of my parenting choices, from sex ed to religious discussions to personal freedoms - it's water off a duck's back as far as I'm concerned.
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