10-26-2012, 06:57 AM | #151 |
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Well at least it helps to get the word out on the evils of DRM, eh.
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The only way to remove books from their app without affecting your library permanently is to use the clear data option (which removes all books). I'd advise avoiding their devices and use another app to read your books, after downloading them for safety via ADE. |
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Worse, the original source of the media (not books, so far) can decide that they no longer want the vendor to allow access, on a periodic basis, for a temporary time or forever and the vendor will block you from downloading that content. This is routinely done with movies and it appears to be allowed with MP3's (and not just at Amazon).
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It is inconvenient and I would prefer it not take so long (and with most credit card issues, they do now have it down to a very short period or just a phone call), but I can see why it is necessary. Then again, many, many years ago I had my ATM card stolen (which I reported, along with credit cards in the wallet) and my bank accounts cleared out because the account was not locked when I called (on a Friday evening). Took months to straighten out and multiple, physical trips to the bank. |
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10-26-2012, 04:26 PM | #156 | |
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In the case of the Norwegian Amazon user, Amazon did not show any evidence; it didn't say that there had been a violation; it didn't leave to the user the possibility to check anything, nor to discuss anything. They said: According to our own criteria (which we won't disclose) your account is connected (in a way we won't tell you) to another one (you don't get to know which one) that was used (we don't tell you when or by whom) to do something wrong (you can't know what). For this "reason", we are suspending your account. |
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It IS, as you say, a transparency and customer relations issue. I think Amazon needs to improve there regardless of whether all the lockouts were perfectly appropriate or honest mistakes or capricious abuses. To be fair, though, the credit card companies and banks behave as they do because of extreme amounts of regulation and legislation. I don't think I'd like this issue address by subjecting retail businesses to the same amount of government control....that might be a cure far worse than the disease. ApK |
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If a company which sells physical goods sells product B but puts on the box the picture and name of product A, it's a fraud. If a company which sells digital downloads sells a limited license to access a music track or a book under certain conditions and calls it "buying the track/book", are we sure that's not the same thing? |
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OK, that's not quite my take on it, but for the sake of a high-concept one-liner response, it'll do. I've posted on that matter elsewhere not too long ago. Suffice to say I don't think that's the issue. ApK |
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http://www.teleread.com/drm/an-open-...-common-sense/ is someone who says reasonable things about the stuff we are discussing in this thread. Maybe, just maybe, if enough cases such as that of the "Norwegian Amazon user" come up, more people will start thinking about what it means to "buy an ebook". |
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Why do you assume they don't think about it already? Isn't also perfectly plausible that many people just don't give as much of a sh!t about it as you (or others) think they should? (Either that, or they do, and they've already come up with a way to appease their own personal sense of "ownership")
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As a wise man said, "If your cat has kittens in the oven, you don't call them biscuits." Not that I don't agree with what the writer is trying to argue for in terms of rights and uses. I do. But her arguments are totally off the mark. |
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At the moment, maybe they "don't give as much of a sh!t". When, ten years after, they want to change ebook vendor they will find out. I don't see why misleading marketing and abusive terms of service should be tolerated simply because there's people who is not careful enough (if you prefer: gullible) to fall for it without taking countermeasures (e.g.: strip DRM and backup). Do you have data confirming that the general public of Kindle (or iPod or...) users knows what the terms of service are? |
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Apparently it is :-)
I'm glad that information about the problem (and possible solution) reaches wider audiences. Maybe if enough people start stripping the DRM from their ebooks, publishers/distributors will start thinking about alternative methods to prevent illegal distribution (such as watermarking that does not prevent copying). Mainly, it's a problem of pricing. If a vendor asks me a price that is comparable to that of the physical book, it should give me something that has similar features. For example: something that I can read wherever (i.e.: with whatever device) I want; that my family can read as well; that I can lend to my friends. If the vendor wants to sell me something that gives to me a much narrower range of possibilities, we are talking about a much lower-grade product: so the vendor should ask a much lower price to me. And it should not be allowed to call it with the same name ("book") of the first one. |
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