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This is not a situation which is anywhere near as clear-cut as speeding. That's why I am trying to limit the metaphor specifically to questions of "universal enforcement." Quote:
![]() In the US, at least, that standard is rather subjective and dynamic. At one point in the 1960s, one Supreme Court justice famously (infamously?) defined obscenity as "I know it when I see it." The current standards would be applied differently from one jurisdiction to the next. Nor is Amazon in any way, shape or form obligated to sell anything and everything solely because it is legal. Quote:
![]() A bit more precise formulation is, "you're occasionally going to have casualties." This also appears to be a rare exception, not the start of a massive wave of expulsions. I also regard forcing a retailer to sell a specific product as a much worse restriction on liberty than allowing any individual to sell their content via the retailer of their choice. She has other outlets, and nothing is stopping her from pursuing them. Quote:
She is dealing with transgressive ideas and content. For better and for worse, that is not always going to be socially acceptable. (And let's be real, that is obviously part of the appeal for her and her audience.) So if she's going to write that kind of material, she has to face the fact that she might not have access to mainstream retailers to distribute her works. (If this was Walmart instead of Amazon, none of us would even blink.) I don't blame her for feeling confused and miffed, or trying to poke at the black box to see how it operates. At the same time, she knows what she's doing is regarded by many people -- and not just right-wing or religious extremists -- as socially unacceptable. It's unrealistic for her to expect it to be treated exactly the same as Pride and Prejudice. She's writing adult material. She ought to have adult expectations on how it's likely to get received. |
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Wait, different standards for different booksellers are OK, but different standards for different books that deal in some way with the same subject matter (the Bible, books about incest fantasies) are not OK?
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WWI, WWII and the American Civil War were extremely bloody and had nothing to do with religion. It seems to me the top causes of violence are something like this: 1) Greed 2) Racism/Xenophobia 3) Religion |
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It's pretty much always greed. Other things are just excuses. In almost every religious conflict, greed is the real motivator. |
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Censorship, in the US, is what the government does or isn't allowed to do.
A company can decide what is allowed in their stores, their forums, their email system. That isn't censorship. That's exercising control of their systems. |
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Both are pretty much ideological fanaticism - in my book that's a hell of a lot nearer to religion than greed. |
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Besides, small book sellers are missing so many books due to economic reasons that it seems somewhat silly to focus on censorship issues. |
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As for war and killing, humanity comes up with reasons for doing such things. Religious differences is only one such reason. As for quantity, the Plague, in some years, killed over 50 percent of Europe. |
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so do we have anything definitive yet? it seems we only have the word of an author who may or may not have had her books for awhile and they may or may not have been replaced. anyone know for certain? I'm damn sure not searching on them
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