Apple Tablet -- Who needs it? - Page 10

Harmon · 01-08-2010, 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by HansTWN

Just as Apple was threatened by those that wanted to put OSX on non-Apple hardware and they sued them out of existence.

I don't see your point - that's not "skimming."

That's trying to eliminate potential outside competition.

HansTWN · 01-08-2010, 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Harmon

I don't see your point - that's not "skimming."

That's trying to eliminate potential outside competition.

I wasn't referring to skimming. My point is that every company reacts any way they can when profitability is threatened. So we shouldn't blame publishers for trying something like holding back ebooks. Now, if that is a smart move, that is a different subject.

Both the publishers' and Apple's moves are definitely "user unfriendly".

Harmon · 01-08-2010, 11:06 PM

I'm too old to be a fanboy.

However, I confess to being a fanman.

If I were much interested in mucking about with the tech, I'd probably have a WinTel machine & run all open source, starting with Linux.

But I'm not much interested. Fortunately for me, most of what Apple does is stuff that I'm happy with, or don't care about.

Right now, there's no Apple ebook reader. The closest to it is the Kindle, and it's sort of a Bizzaro world version of an Apple ebook reader. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bizarro

I'm crossing my fingers that the iSlate actually comes out, & is a viable ebook/info reader. If it is, I'll get one. If not, I'll stick with my 300 & 505.

"One Slate to rule them all..."

Sweetpea · 01-09-2010, 04:38 AM

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Originally Posted by menevets

I think there is a Windows 7 family pack available, so many households with multiple machines now.

I don't want 7 on my pc... I prefer XP. And Win7 is still around €200 for a Home Edition (while I'd prefer a Professional edition) (for you americans: around $285). Considering Apple never made cheap products, that would go on top if it...

(also: http://www.informationweek.com/news/...leID=222001027)

AprilHare · 01-09-2010, 04:38 AM

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Originally Posted by mores

Doubt it. Or how many fanboys actually have an Apple TV at home? Or a wireless router from apple that costs twice as much and does less than any other wifi router?

Good question. Why don't you ask them?

And yes your assessment of the wireless router apple offering is rather apt.

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Originally Posted by mores

Also, what you seem to overlook is that the devices that are currently being hyped (iPhone, iPod) are very often being used not by fanboys but by regular users. Windows Users are the reason iPods do not come with firewire anymore. Also, how many iPhone users sync with iTunes for PC ... I'd say there are more PC users using an iPhone than true Mac users, or as you like to call them, "fanboys".
So something does not add up in your theory.

I assure you plenty of fanboys buy anything with the Apple name and logo. I don't like to call them fanboys, they *are* fanboys.
I doubt there are good statistics on fanboys using iTunes on Mac to sync their iPhone. But they certainly make a loud enough sound about it don't they?..

stustaff · 01-09-2010, 04:57 AM

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Originally Posted by AprilHare

Good question. Why don't you ask them?

And yes your assessment of the wireless router apple offering is rather apt.

I assure you plenty of fanboys buy anything with the Apple name and logo. I don't like to call them fanboys, they *are* fanboys.
I doubt there are good statistics on fanboys using iTunes on Mac to sync their iPhone. But they certainly make a loud enough sound about it don't they?..

I think the argument isnt so much that there are Apple fanboys but that saying 'im sure apple fanboys will buy it no matter what' is both obvious and pointless.
That is because every company has the same thing, a friend of mine will only buy Sony Tvs even though the same spev TV by another manufacturer would be cheaper... MS fanboys actually bought Zunes

one guy has a zune tattoo.

Its the fact that Apple release products that MAKE people into fanboys that means that the product the person had made them happy and they then want to have more of Apples products.

the iphone actually in my experience has sold more through people seeing what it can do than the adverts, in my work team of 12 people 5 have gone for the iPhone based on seeing me using mine and asking about it.

For the average person Apple phones do everything they would want them to and if you said to that person "well no it cant because you cant easily access the file system" they would go "erm sorry what?" and wouldnt care.

I had and still have the 1st gen iPhone and its perfect for me.
I spend much less time having to fix my 3 Apple computers than I do my Dads one modern PC.

What I really dont get is why anyone who isnt interested in Apple and doesnt like their products is even posting in this thread?

If all your here to do is complain and moan about all of Apples mistakes then well dont you have something better to be doing with your time?

Im posting in here because I really like Apple products and was enjoying the discussion and speculation on the iSlate.
And pretty much its being ruined by Trolls.

huari · 01-09-2010, 05:54 AM

Funny, but I'm in the same pool as the OP: Dell PC, Kindle, Macbook, eeepc netbook, and iPod Touch w/Stanza (epub), GoodReader (PDFs), Kindle App (azw).

What would the use case be for a tablet?

I find that the majority of my device time consists of browsing and consuming media or interacting with applications, on and offline.

If my spouse is on the Macbook, I read my feeds or play games on the iPod. The PC is too cumbersome to boot and the netbook is slower to get a signal for say just checking the weather or too hot on the lap. Commute time goes to the Kindle or iPod because the other devices are too heavy.
Different uses, different places-
Too heavy, hot, big, tiny, slow...the list goes on.

All these experiences are tradeoffs like the eternal thread about 'Which e-reader reads PDF or manga or XYZ format the best?'

It is the old story of 'what is just right?'
(back in the day it used to be my trusty Palm OS device, anyone remember the TRGPro? Loved that baby.

)

Testing my inner Goldilocks, I'm waiting for a superlative user experience that will optimize convenience of form and function.

Apple has a good track record of providing that level of usability.

Aside from sixthsense, I'm hoping for an enlarged iPod Touch with camera that runs my apps. Despite enjoying ssh, bash and other fun diversions with jailbreaking, I reverted and found many apps that work well enough to forgive the closed nature of the device.

Mr. Jobs, my needs are simple!

The only other promising player is Notion Ink's Adam with that bedazzling PixelQi display which I wish Apple would adopt. Go Mary Lou!

I can't wait to see what they come up with.

stustaff · 01-09-2010, 05:58 AM

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Originally Posted by huari

The only other promising player is Notion Ink's Adam with that bedazzling PixelQi display which I wish Apple would adopt. Go Mary Lou!

I can't wait to see what they come up with.

I too think this looks great but if the apple tablet is closer to 6 or 7" screen im happy with a bigger version(better pixel density) of the current iPhone screen, I dont really have any issues with that in daylight and dont get any strain from LCD screens like some seem to.

AprilHare · 01-09-2010, 06:07 AM

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Originally Posted by stustaff

I think the argument isnt so much that there are Apple fanboys but that saying 'im sure apple fanboys will buy it no matter what' is both obvious and pointless.

It has great point: Apple equipment is being promoted by people who aren't objective. The virulent nature of Apple fandom is well noted and certainly unhelpful to the general public.

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Originally Posted by stustaff

That is because every company has the same thing, a friend of mine will only buy Sony Tvs even though the same spev TV by another manufacturer would be cheaper... MS fanboys actually bought Zunes

one guy has a zune tattoo.

I disagree. At least Sony fans are tasteful about their personal fanatic views. Apple fanboys need to bother everyone in the Universe apparently, and everyone who can't afford their latest and greatest overpriced equipment is deemed substandard. - I know, it's happened to me.

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Originally Posted by stustaff

Its the fact that Apple release products that MAKE people into fanboys that means that the product the person had made them happy and they then want to have more of Apples products.

I have no idea what makes the stereotypical Apple fanboy. I'm assuming Apple propaganda has done it, but you never know with that lot.

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Originally Posted by stustaff

the iphone actually in my experience has sold more through people seeing what it can do than the adverts, in my work team of 12 people 5 have gone for the iPhone based on seeing me using mine and asking about it.

And here I was thinking it was due to huge amounts of advertising and social pressure.

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Originally Posted by stustaff

For the average person Apple phones do everything they would want them to and if you said to that person "well no it cant because you cant easily access the file system" they would go "erm sorry what?" and wouldnt care.

They don't do everything I want. My fingers apparently are too fat to make a telephone call. That was the conclusion I came to when I tried the iPhone in-store.

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Originally Posted by stustaff

I had and still have the 1st gen iPhone and its perfect for me.
I spend much less time having to fix my 3 Apple computers than I do my Dads one modern PC.

Lucky you.
No, really, lucky you. You bought 3 computers and have been lucky to not have major problems with them. That obviously can be extrapolated to every Mac out there. Same with the 1 PC. Anyway..

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Originally Posted by stustaff

What I really dont get is why anyone who isnt interested in Apple and doesnt like their products is even posting in this thread?

We definitely don't like Apple products - but we are interested in Apple the same way one is interested in a car crash, with social overtones due to the irritating incursions of virulent fanboys.

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Originally Posted by stustaff

If all your here to do is complain and moan about all of Apples mistakes then well dont you have something better to be doing with your time?

I don't complain or moan about all of Apples mistakes. Just the ones that leave people with expensive devices that either don't work or are falling apart. That covers plenty of them.

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Originally Posted by stustaff

Im posting in here because I really like Apple products and was enjoying the discussion and speculation on the iSlate.
And pretty much its being ruined by Trolls.

When we have more concrete information about Apples latest presumably overpriced gadget I'm sure the conversation will pick up for you.

HarryT · 01-09-2010, 06:11 AM

Given that the 64GB iPod Touch costs $400, I can't really see a 10" tablet costing less than double that. I think that $1000 is a not unreasonable price for such a device; I'd probably consider it - for use as a portable video player - at that price.

stustaff · 01-09-2010, 06:27 AM

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Originally Posted by AprilHare

It has great point: Apple equipment is being promoted by people who aren't objective. So ALL people who like apple and tell people that, are not objective? really thats your statement?

The virulent nature of Apple fandom is well noted and certainly unhelpful to the general public.
name why its unhelpful I cant think of any instances

I disagree. At least Sony fans are tasteful about their personal fanatic views.
Oh are they? all of them oh Ok good point

Apple fanboys need to bother everyone in the Universe apparently, and everyone who can't afford their latest and greatest overpriced equipment is deemed substandard. - I know, it's happened to me.
I dont think I need to say anything really its a childish and ridiculous statement, again you seem happy to apply one instance to everyone but complain about me doing the same (even when I havenmt)

I have no idea what makes the stereotypical Apple fanboy. I'm assuming Apple propaganda has done it, but you never know with that lot.

Thats true i like apple stuff because of their propoganda, not because I actually love their products, me and anyone else that likes Apple is that stoopid

And here I was thinking it was due to huge amounts of advertising and social pressure.
Like I said "in my experience" the reason my friends have purchased is in large parts from playing with mine

They don't do everything I want. My fingers apparently are too fat to make a telephone call. That was the conclusion I came to when I tried the iPhone in-store.
You must have GIANT fingers one thing that everyone is in agreement on is that the capacative screen and UI are the best available.

Lucky you.
No, really, lucky you. You bought 3 computers and have been lucky to not have major problems with them. That obviously can be extrapolated to every Mac out there. Same with the 1 PC. Anyway..
Its well known that Apple products have LESS issues because Apple know what hardware they will be running the software on, MS etc have a much MUCH harder job achieving that level of stability no blame just thats the situation

We definitely don't like Apple products - but we are interested in Apple the same way one is interested in a car crash, with social overtones due to the irritating incursions of virulent fanboys.
Who is this WE you are claiming to speak for?

I don't complain or moan about all of Apples mistakes. Just the ones that leave people with expensive devices that either don't work or are falling apart. That covers plenty of them.
Name 2

When we have more concrete information about Apples latest presumably overpriced gadget I'm sure the conversation will pick up for you.hopefully

In BOLD

JSWolf · 01-09-2010, 07:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Laurentiu

I take it as a good joke. When you say that, you consider that M$ gets the products right the first time? LOL!

We are not talking Microsoft. We are talking Apple. And Apple takes two or three times to get it right. Look at the iPod Touch. What a joke the first time around. The battery life was awful.

JSWolf · 01-09-2010, 07:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Laurentiu

Returning to M$ - it took them three years to fix their latest product - Vista - which proved to be a disaster. How about that, Mr. Wolf?

Why are you trying to derail the thread? it's about Apple, not MS, not Mercedes Benz, but APPLE.

Can you tell me the last Apple product that they came out with that did not NEED to have yet another version to fix the FLAWS in the original release?

HarryT · 01-09-2010, 07:17 AM

Jon,

I think it's fair to say that no non-trivial software system has EVER been released that did not have bugs in it that needed to be fixed. Apple are probably no worse than anyone else in that respect.

AprilHare · 01-09-2010, 07:20 AM

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Originally Posted by stustaff

So ALL people who like apple and tell people that, are not objective? really thats your statement?

No, but thanks for misrepresenting. Needed that

- We were talking about fanboys, weren't we?

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Originally Posted by stustaff

name why its unhelpful I cant think of any instances

You can't think of why someone standing around saying *x* company makes the best equipment based on brand name alone is helpful? They gloss over the downsides or negative aspects of the equipment involved, and turn it into a 'fashion item', and you can't see why that's wrong?

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Originally Posted by stustaff

Oh are they? all of them oh Ok good point

Interesting. No real point, but interesting. - I speak from observation of majority known to me not knowledge of all. Come to think of it, neither do you.

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Originally Posted by stustaff

I dont think I need to say anything really its a childish and ridiculous statement, again you seem happy to apply one instance to everyone but complain about me doing the same (even when I havenmt)

Interesting. No real point, but interesting.

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Originally Posted by stustaff

Thats true i like apple stuff because of their propoganda, not because I actually love their products, me and anyone else that likes Apple is that stoopid

Now then, no-one called you stupid! There, there. Calm down, and go play with your Apple toys. They'll make you feel better!

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Originally Posted by stustaff

Like I said "in my experience" the reason my friends have purchased is in large parts from playing with mine

I don't hand over my mobile phone for playing with.
And I only show off my liseuse very occasionally (if asked) because eink displays are still a great novelty here (few have seen them at all).

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Originally Posted by stustaff

You must have GIANT fingers one thing that everyone is in agreement on is that the capacative screen and UI are the best available.

My fingers have feelings too! It's not THEIR fault I can't dial a phone number using a iPhone using them now, is it?

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Originally Posted by stustaff

Its well known that Apple products have LESS issues because Apple know what hardware they will be running the software on, MS etc have a much MUCH harder job achieving that level of stability no blame just thats the situation

Apple manipulate the market so that their operating system can only be used on a very small range of Apple-blessed hardware and that's a positive?
Doesn't make the hardware perfect.

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Originally Posted by stustaff

Who is this WE you are claiming to speak for?

We the disaffected. (Unofficial spokeschook.)

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Originally Posted by stustaff

Name 2

Two Apple mistakes - how about the flickering iMac display issues and those pesky Macbook cases flaking apart, for starters?

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Originally Posted by stustaff

hopefully

Well there always has to be a light at the end of the tunnel. -

- just check it isn't the headlamp of the fast oncoming train!

01-09-2010, 05:54 AM	#142
huari Enthusiast Posts: 44 Karma: 1061025 Join Date: Oct 2006 Device: Kindle me, Sony Reader missus	The Goldilocks phenomenon Funny, but I'm in the same pool as the OP: Dell PC, Kindle, Macbook, eeepc netbook, and iPod Touch w/Stanza (epub), GoodReader (PDFs), Kindle App (azw). What would the use case be for a tablet? I find that the majority of my device time consists of browsing and consuming media or interacting with applications, on and offline. If my spouse is on the Macbook, I read my feeds or play games on the iPod. The PC is too cumbersome to boot and the netbook is slower to get a signal for say just checking the weather or too hot on the lap. Commute time goes to the Kindle or iPod because the other devices are too heavy. Different uses, different places- Too heavy, hot, big, tiny, slow...the list goes on. All these experiences are tradeoffs like the eternal thread about 'Which e-reader reads PDF or manga or XYZ format the best?' It is the old story of 'what is just right?' (back in the day it used to be my trusty Palm OS device, anyone remember the TRGPro? Loved that baby.) Testing my inner Goldilocks, I'm waiting for a superlative user experience that will optimize convenience of form and function. Apple has a good track record of providing that level of usability. Aside from sixthsense, I'm hoping for an enlarged iPod Touch with camera that runs my apps. Despite enjoying ssh, bash and other fun diversions with jailbreaking, I reverted and found many apps that work well enough to forgive the closed nature of the device. Mr. Jobs, my needs are simple! The only other promising player is Notion Ink's Adam with that bedazzling PixelQi display which I wish Apple would adopt. Go Mary Lou! I can't wait to see what they come up with.

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01-08-2010, 11:06 PM	#138
Harmon King of the Bongo Drums Posts: 1,630 Karma: 5927225 Join Date: Feb 2009 Device: Excelsior! (Strange...)	I'm too old to be a fanboy. However, I confess to being a fanman. If I were much interested in mucking about with the tech, I'd probably have a WinTel machine & run all open source, starting with Linux. But I'm not much interested. Fortunately for me, most of what Apple does is stuff that I'm happy with, or don't care about. Right now, there's no Apple ebook reader. The closest to it is the Kindle, and it's sort of a Bizzaro world version of an Apple ebook reader. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bizarro I'm crossing my fingers that the iSlate actually comes out, & is a viable ebook/info reader. If it is, I'll get one. If not, I'll stick with my 300 & 505. "One Slate to rule them all..."

01-09-2010, 06:11 AM	#145
HarryT eBook Enthusiast Posts: 85,544 Karma: 93383099 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: UK Device: Kindle Oasis 2, iPad Pro 10.5", iPhone 6	Given that the 64GB iPod Touch costs $400, I can't really see a 10" tablet costing less than double that. I think that $1000 is a not unreasonable price for such a device; I'd probably consider it - for use as a portable video player - at that price.

01-09-2010, 07:17 AM	#149
HarryT eBook Enthusiast Posts: 85,544 Karma: 93383099 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: UK Device: Kindle Oasis 2, iPad Pro 10.5", iPhone 6	Jon, I think it's fair to say that no non-trivial software system has EVER been released that did not have bugs in it that needed to be fixed. Apple are probably no worse than anyone else in that respect.

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