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Publishing apologists arguing that they can't stop doing business through Amazon because too much of their business depends on Amazon are being disingenuous (some say intellectually dishonest) because the only reason Amazon is such a big part of their business is because their actions and policies make everybody else a smaller player.
Do we need to rehash the list of trade publishing's "crimes" against retailers and consumers yet again? If Amazon has "too much power" over that subset of the publishing world it is because those publishers keep hurting and killing off their competitors. Witness the latest fiasco: BPH ebook revenues dropped by 15% over 2015 (and since Agency Deux came on staggered, the full effects will only be felt this year) and since ebooks provided 30% of their revenues, that corresponds to a ~5% drop. The goal was to help B&M, but all the B&M retailers combined saw was a 2.3% increase on what is maybe half of the BPHs total business; they shifted (maybe) 1.7% of their revenue to run through B&M channels!! Applause all over! B&M bookselling is back! The ebook fad is over! (No mention of how much of that 2.3% is is sales of toys, pillows, and markers for the coloring books.) Uh... So where did the other 3% of BPH sales revenue go? Not Apple--they don't sell pbooks. Not Google--ditto. Kobo? Nope. (Rakuten just took a write-off becsuse of their declining book value.) Nook? Riighhhttt... Anybody care to guess where those revenues that used to flow though Amazon competitors went? (B&N online? No growth there: they're still cleaning up their new website. They should be done by 2020. Maybe.) So far, the tally of Agency Part Deux (with apologies to the HOT SHOTS) is big growth by Indie, Inc, decent growth for Amazon in both digital and print, measurable losses at Amazon's ebook competitors, and maybe a few crumbs to the B&M retailers forced to go distributirs becsuse they're too small for tradpub to bother with. (Some of which get better prices and service restocking from Amazon than Ingram.) With enemies like those Amazon barely needs friends. Reminds me of the rise of MS Office in the late 80's. Gates went out, hat in hand, begging Word Perfect and Lotus to support Windows 3. No dice. They were supporting Unix. NextStep. OS/2. Even Amiga and Atari. "You have too much of our business!We need alternatives Let them run the DOS version!" So MS Word became Word for Windows,MS did Excel for Mac and Windows, they bought PowerPoint, and Office was born. And then Dell asked to bundle a copy of office with their Windows PCs... This has happened before. It will happen again. Railing against successful companies hurts them none but often helps them by misleading their competitors. Print is back. Digital is fading. Yup, keep repeating that, tradpubbers. Windows is fading too. So is Google. Facebook. iPhone... Even them newfangled automobile carriages... Keep on railing against the future. (And the present.) |
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For the record: 15% of BPH ebook revenues is around $400M...
...that shifted to indie, Inc. That is about 100M *added* sales for Indies. Small number: big impact. BPH authors lost royalties: $70M. Indie author gains: ~$250M. If anybody needs to know *why* the hate for ebooks... "Follow the money." Last edited by fjtorres; 02-18-2016 at 08:29 AM. |
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Secondly: what are you considering pornography? No, you can't get the triple x stuff but a quick search just told me you can get adult videos. And as far as books are concerned, there are only 239,500 in the erotica section. 115,173 are in Kindle Unlimited. Also unless I go exclusive with Amazon, there is no reason, I can't upload my book to other distributors. Of course, it will be formatted to go with their particular store. Now if I want to do Smashwords, I can do all three of the most common formats. Last edited by Cinisajoy; 02-18-2016 at 11:30 AM. |
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Which many here were forecasting long ago. The process isn't complete, but the destination will be the same. |
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Music was already digitized via CD and there was no perceivable or actual difference between downloaded music and playing from a CD. But reading a paper book is very different to reading on an electronic screen, even the best e-ink screens available. Surveys show that most people prefer to read on paper. The vast majority of books are still read on paper. |
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The popularity of music downloads drove higher fidelity file standards, and music sales probably contributed significantly to the development of greater and faster bandwidth on the internet as a whole. |
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In effect, the combination of those two policies means that the Kindle version of your book, as sold on Amazon, must be an Amazon exclusive, which in a monopoly or near monopoly situation is legally problematic at best. I'm just reading Amazon's policies. I have no opinion on what is or is not pornography, nor on whether it should or should not be sold. I'm merely pointing out that it is, in fact, a limitation of speech, albeit one that most people are okay with. |
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From a legal perspective, monopolies are defined within a single industry or industry segment in which the products are fungible, not across broad, unrelated markets. In this case, we're talking about the eBook market, of which Amazon has about a 75% share. So yes, that is a near monopoly. Quote:
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Antitrust law requires consideration of cross-elasticity of demand. If you look at Golden Gate v. Pfizer, the courts actually said that prescription drugs was a bogus market because it was too broad, because people who buy drugs for one illness are not likely to substitute drugs for a different, unrelated illness because of changes in their relative prices. So antitrust suits would need to be about much narrow markets, e.g. Alzheimer's drugs. By that standard, the eBook market is likely to be too broad for the courts, not too narrow. A science fiction eBook is not necessarily interchangeable for a romance novel, and it is certainly not interchangeable for a textbook. So the courts would likely consider textbooks to be a separate market from fiction books at the very least, and certainly not in the same market as (for example) newspapers, magazines, blogs, or telephone books. Quote:
No, it isn't. The first amendment right to free speech is about government institutions exclusively. However, the concept of censorship is in no way exclusively about government censorship. Censorship by corporations might not be a violation of people's constitutional rights, but it is still censorship. |
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But from a legal perspective, that Kindle book is exclusive, in the same way that Wal-Mart demanding that electronics vendors build a special SKU specifically for them makes that SKU exclusive to Wal-Mart, even though substantively similar models are available through other channels.
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Baen sell through their own site and Amazon and Kobo, selling mobi, epub, kf8 and kepub, as long as someone can read the book with the same words I don't think they care if the file is exactly the same or not. Classifying a book sold in one format as exclusive when it is available elsewhere in equivalent formats is going to politician levels of stretching the facts. |
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The BPHs are actively supporting that thesis with their high ebook prices intended to drive readers to print editions. By your narrow definition Sony has a monopoly on Playstation gaming and Microsoft has a monopoly on Xbox games and Apple has a monopoly on iPhone games when the reality is they are all competitors, along with Google, Nintendo, Amazon, and (soon) even the revived Coleco. Gaming is gaming whether on consoles, PCs, phones, or wooden planks. Time spent gaming on one is time not spent on the others. They are all competitors for consumers' time and money. Likewise with publishing. Ebooks are just another edition of the exact same book. No different that a mmpbk ir hardcover or audio book. Same content, same product, and totally fungible. Whether people read fiction or non-fiction, news or data, on paper, tablet, or TV screen is irrelevant; reading is reading. And a publisher in one segment has the ability to publish anything they choose. (DUNE was published by a car parts catalog publisher. Publishing is publishing. Period.) And that is how the DOJ ruled on the randy penguin merger. And if they, who actually pick and choose what they bring to market and edit its content and control what ideas reach market and how... If they pass legal muster so does Amazon which is merely a distributor of those titles and has no control over the content. So, no, no monopoly. And since they exert no control over what gets published or what is inside they have no control over speech. All they can do is say what they will willingly distribute. And since (again!) they have no obligation to carry anything they don't contractually agree to carry, which makes it a matter of contract law. (And since the contract had expired during the Hachette catfight, they were under no obligation to lift a single finger on their behalf.) No case for monopoly of free speech issues. More, if you listen carefully to what the AU gang and other propagandists are saying, Amazon's real crime is they * don't* restict what gets published. That their sales suffer ar Amazon because Amazon *doesn't* give *them* preferred placement. In the mid nineties during the day of the big box bookstores the ABA sued the BPHs, Borders, and B&N for antitrust violations and won a settlement. If their current claims were anything but propaganda they would have sued long ago. But as one of the more vocal leaders admitted in an online discussion their lawyers have already told them they have no case. Not under anti-trust, not under Patman-Robinson, and not under free speech. No case. Period. Last edited by fjtorres; 02-19-2016 at 10:11 AM. |
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