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So Netflix has to at least pretend to care in order to sign the deals in the first place. It's a bit like how the hardware manufacturers of DVD players used to have to pretend that they weren't building multi-region players whilst hiding the switch within an "engineering menu". They get paid either way once someone buys the player, but in order to build the player in the first place they had to sign up to be part of the DVDCA which involved agreeing to enforce region codes. In fact technically they still shouldn't be doing this but no-one's going to enforce the rules when DVD drm has been so thoroughly defeated and the market has largely moved on anyway. |
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https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/help/cus...deId=201423000 Nobody can sign up for the service and then claim that they expected to be able to access the service from a different country. |
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I recently watched the movie 'Terms and Conditions May Apply'. I believe the statistic they quoted was that if the average person actually read all the terms and conditions they agree to on the click through agreements it would take them an average of 18 hours a week. What percentage of the population do you believe actually read and understand everything in those agreements? If you do please tell me how many hours a week you spend reading them? I'm curious how accurate the statistic is. |
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What generates a lot of the heat here in this discussion is the occasional but egregious failure to spot that "immoral" and "illegal" aren't terms that can be interchanged.
Add to that the feeling that the US is the country with the most aggressive attitude to preserving what it defines as its own intellectual property (a question of law, its own, naturally), and a long history of ignoring the rights of authors from other countries (obviously only a moral issue to the US citizens of the time). Perhaps someone has already written the book detailing the problems encountered by nineteenth-century authors such as Dickens and Trollope, who found their works mercilessly pirated in the US. Or about twentieth-century ones such as Tolkien. Of course two wrongs don't make a right (morally or legally). But they might influence just how immoral you might think certain kinds of illegal behaviour actually are. |
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http://www.lexi-alexander.com/blog/2...lease-stand-up ...who, by the way, is in the business. Frankly, I think she has a point. Big Entertainment has bribed and lobbied for unusual protections for their product for decades. The change in the US laws since WW2 are particularly pronounced. Their co-conspirators -- Government -- exempts itself (libraries and schools) from the regulations and their partners -- Business and Industry -- get sweetheart deals and licenses. This leaves the individual to bear the brunt of the regulation -- regulation so unreasonable and unenforceable that something called Fair Use was created. Big Entertainment wants to define their product as both a gas and a solid. When consumers want to format shift something they compensated Big Industry for, they are told that is illegal and a new copy must be purchased. When they want to loan the product they purchased to a friend, they are told the item is licensed and you cannot loan it to a friend. If the physical media is damaged or obsolete, the seller of the license has no obligation to make amends or address the problem. DRM causes great inconvenience for the consumer, little protection for Big Entertainment, and unnecessary expense for both. A consumer's only recourse is to choose not to purchase the products altogether. I recommend everyone take great pains to minimize their patronage to these Barons of Entertainment. Install an antenna, share books, and buy your movies out of the bargain bin. Last edited by wizwor; 07-13-2014 at 02:07 PM. Reason: typo |
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Seriously, people have to take some responsibility for their own actions, and know what it is they're signing up for. Anyone can find this stuff out if they bother to look. |
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@ Arucaria: Can a failure to spot that the terms "immoral" and "illegal" are not, (at least not always, but sometimes they are, surely), interchangable, be really thought of as egregious? The terms, of course, have different meanings, but that wasn't the point being claimed.
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My personally feeling is that once a work is not made available to the public, then the copyright owner is violating the spirit of the copyright law, i.e. is longer providing public good. That opinion and five bucks will buy you a cup of coffee at Starbucks! ![]() |
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I honestly don't think that being so lazy that you can't be bothered to find out what the limitations of the service you're buying are is a legitimate excuse for piracy. |
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I remember visiting a nocdkey site once so I could let my young kids play purchased games without handling the media. On the support page there was a list of free and commercial DRM removal products. For those copy programs with their own copy protection, the web site posted cracks. I thought that was ironic.
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French Canadian people living outside Quebec in Canada could not see any French shows. It was extremely rare that they were broadcast or played in cinemas outside of Quebec. There were no DVDs or VHS etc. All reel to reel and private rental was extremely difficult and expensive. Now we can often watch things at our convenience and there is certainly a lot to watch available. And we can often manage to buy or view things that are not broadcast in our countries. As many have said, we can buy the media and get a player that will play from any region, no opinion really on the legality or morality of this, we all know whether we personally feel a bit guilty or not, although IMO only those that think it is wrong deep down, loudly protest their innocence and how they were forced to pirate something like it was on the same level as stealing food to feed their starving children. Sorry but I am just not that naive. Helen |
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