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Old 07-15-2012, 10:49 AM   #136
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What was he supposed to do ?
Take him to court, presumably. But that certainly wouldn't have had the deterrent effect that this action has. I certainly applaud the author for doing this.
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Old 07-15-2012, 10:59 AM   #137
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Taking him to court would've deterred the confessed pirate but hardly anybody else.
Most casual pirates (and the guy is clearly not a Dotcom-grade commercial thief) simply don't stop to think of consequences, especially since lawsuits are expensive to file and run. "It's not worth the grief to them."
Well, this is cheap and will follow the dude for a long time.

Name and shame can be deployed on anybody, which why so many are antsy about it.

Goodkind apparently has enough proof in this case (plus the resources) to defend himself if it does end up in court, but the question to ponder is what if somebody else with less evidence tries it. He might not finger the right person or not be able to make it stick.

Still, the precedent is out there.
Something else for casual pirates to ponder before uploading copyrighted material.
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Old 07-15-2012, 11:52 AM   #138
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What was he supposed to do ?
If he doesn't want free readers he can easily have the content, and/or search results to it, removed. If he doesn't have the time to do that, there are plenty of companies who will do it for him. Advertising the existence of free copies in this way seems a bit counterproductive to me. Unless that was the intent?
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Someone infringed copyright, someone publicly called him out. Fantastic use of free speech IMHO. Let the public know what happened and decide for themselves. Why are people afraid to call a thief a thief? IP theft is wrong and illegal. Period.

I'm puzzled by words like vigilante, posse, mob, lynch. Comparing a lawless hanging to outing a copywriter thief??? I don't see it, not even as useful hyperbole.

No aff with the author--looks like someone I would never read but who knows the value of his labor and didn't just roll over. all discussion of poverty, wealth, corporate greed etc. is scurrilous. Theft is theft.
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If he doesn't want free readers he can easily have the content, and/or search results to it, removed. If he doesn't have the time to do that, there are plenty of companies who will do it for him. Advertising the existence of free copies in this way seems a bit counterproductive to me. Unless that was the intent?
Yeah, get the content removed, pirate upload book again, useless.
That guy will think twice before doing that again.
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Old 07-15-2012, 12:47 PM   #141
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I used the word 'posse' I believe - and by that I mean the first definition as indicated in this link. - a group of people encouraged to assist in law enforcement. Edited to add the fourth definition could also apply "A group of friends or associates."

He is acting as his own sheriff in this case, not wanting to go traditional routes to see a crime through, and his fans and other folks who object to the actions of the book pirate are also supporting him.

Nothing wrong with it, as long as he thinks that is a good enough solution to his problem.
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Yeah, get the content removed, pirate upload book again, useless.
That guy will think twice before doing that again.
So the solution is to shame them, one by one? What do you do about the ones who don't brag about what they have done?
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So the solution is to shame them, one by one? What do you do about the ones who don't brag about what they have done?
That seam the lesser evil againt a lawsuit and everything...
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"Have you ever been convicted of a crime?" No.

Employer fills out name, dob, address and looks through criminal background check.

"You're hired!"
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Dont you find it ironic that the most wealthy people as well as the richest company's scream about piracy and drag any on they can through the courts.
What I find ironic is people on a site devoted to books and reading condoning stealing an author's hard work. And did you notice that what Goodkind did was *not* drag this guy through the court?
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Apple jumps to mind for one who have have fought SAMSUNG in a number of pointless legal battles that they lost..
This is not about Apple, Apple's suit was not about piracy, and Apple did not lose all of their legal battles.

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It's not ironic. The rich and powerful also wish to control everything. It's important for them to not only have lots of money but also to have the power to decide right from wrong and through campaigns of different kinds, brainwash most of us into defending their side. The result being all those who buy that propaganda that not going along those corporations and companies is "wrong". They believe what the system wants them to believe ...
So it's not ironic at all.
So your solution is to conclude that Goodkind is wrong because he is a successful author? Why are you defending someone who took an author's work without paying for it and distributed it to the Internet at large? Do you believe this is justified because the author is successful? Do we get to steal everything from people richer than ourselves?

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Sure and why not a good old fashioned lynching while we're at it
Maybe you need to take a break from people who steal from authors and look up what a lynching really is. Hint - posting on your facebook page that someone pirated and uploaded your book is not "lynching."

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I used the word 'posse' I believe - and by that I mean the first definition as indicated in this link. - a group of people encouraged to assist in law enforcement. Edited to add the fourth definition could also apply "A group of friends or associates."

He is acting as his own sheriff in this case, not wanting to go traditional routes to see a crime through, and his fans and other folks who object to the actions of the book pirate are also supporting him.
If he were acting as his own sheriff, he would have arrested the guy and locked him up. All Goodkind did was to tell people that the guy pirated his work.
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"Have you ever been convicted of a crime?" No.

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A Google search usually comes before a criminal background check.
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If he were acting as his own sheriff, he would have arrested the guy and locked him up. All Goodkind did was to tell people that the guy pirated his work.
He chose his own idea of what constituted a suitable punishment for the crime. And it seemed to have worked for him.
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A Google search usually comes before a criminal background check.
And the Google search would show that he didn't lie about being convicted. It would show he had done something which bothered an author, and the author went public about it, and a group of other supporters also backed him up with what a scum he was. But so far, to my limited knowledge of this issue, nobody has been arrested and convicted.
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No, he is wrong because first he does not have any financial issues to complain about and second, he plays the righteous knight that knows what is right from wrong because he is on the good side of the establishment. Right and wrong is only in the eye of the beholder. He may bitch about how what was done is illegal but saying it is wrong is at best very questionable. His interest is not others' interest and while it makes sense he defends his interests, it is silly that people on the other side of the "fence" would ingratiatingly be on the elite's side.

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So your solution is to conclude that Goodkind is wrong because he is a successful author? Why are you defending someone who took an author's work without paying for it and distributed it to the Internet at large? Do you believe this is justified because the author is successful? Do we get to steal everything from people richer than ourselves?

You misunderstood my post but nevermind.
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I suggest Mr Goodkind chill out on his yacht with his gin and tonic and stop sweating the small stuff Of course, if he chooses to upset himself, that's his choice.
By your logic, it would be wrong for stores to go after shoplifters because after all, they are rich so why do they care?

Just because someone is financial well off doesn't mean it's okay to steal from them. His books are HIS copyrighted property and he has every right to be upset if some jerk takes it upon himself to take it and distribute free copies to people. Every person who got a pirated copy didn't buy it, which takes income away from him. That's stealing.
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