Hacks Amazon Kindle Hack: Read DRM-protected Mobipocket content - Page 10

TallMomof2 · 12-14-2007, 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by azog

Are you sure about that? I just installed Mobipcoket Reader 6.2 Build 594 (beta), and it sees my Kindle only as a mass-storage device, for which I can get no information (i.e., there is no Properties button which would normally show me the PID) and it doesn't recognize any of the content (Amazon or DRM-free), but I suspect that's due to the AZW filename extension.

I'm having the same issue. Kindle was recognized as a device until I installed 6.1. Think I'll see if I can uninstall 6.1 and go back to 6.0.

mrkai · 12-15-2007, 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by HarryT

Nonetheless, I believe that Apple have some ridiculous share of the MP3-player market - isn't it 80+% or something like that? - and iTunes is the most popular music store in the world, bar none. It makes huge amounts of money.

It is the most popular *digital* music store in the world, but its sales pale in comparison to CD sales and music swapped on the Internet.

The thing is tho Harry that iTunes DRM content has MUCH more value than any DRM'd ebook out there, and even more than the industry backed players that it left in the dust. Forget the fact that you can play it on like 5 computers and as many iPods as you can plug into your computer...which is pretty damned fantastic.

You see, any and every track you buy from Apple has the same rights, the most beneficial of them is the fact that you can burn your purchases onto CD.

Your music, your *content*...the thing that is of "value" here can then be played on any cd player on earth.

eBook buyers of content from "premium" publishers and authors can only *dream* of such a scenario.

And this is for a USD 99¢ product! Is it any wonder that they sell 1000s of tracks a minute?

HarryT · 12-15-2007, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by mrkai

The thing is tho Harry that iTunes DRM content has MUCH more value than any DRM'd ebook out there, and even more than the industry backed players that it left in the dust. Forget the fact that you can play it on like 5 computers and as many iPods as you can plug into your computer...which is pretty damned fantastic.

You see, any and every track you buy from Apple has the same rights, the most beneficial of them is the fact that you can burn your purchases onto CD.

Yes, I'm well aware of all that. That's precisely why I disagreed with the statement the music DRM is dead. I don't believe it's dead at all, simply because it's not overtly restrictive in the way that some book DRM is.

mrkai · 12-15-2007, 03:49 PM

Gotcha. Understood. I apologize for assuming your understanding was for possibly some other reason.

THJahar · 12-16-2007, 01:16 AM

I think we are overlooking something, is the fact that Amazon used a 'bespoke' DRM scheme actually a backdoor to a DRM free e-book movement?
Hear me out.
What if the kindle does become the iPod of the ebook world, and sells millions of units.
Like the ipod, people with a bit of moral backbone will actually start buying DRM'ed product rather than just sucking it up from the Darknet.
But unlike the iPod the competitors will realise that they cannot compete by using an alernate DRM scheme (i.e. plays for sure and other mp3 players) because as the example shows, it failed miserably, as was the case with MP3 players, the other services have realised that they had to go to a DRM free model which with a lot of badgering and heckling of the record companies they have slowly started to do.
Now print publishers (those money hungry oligopolists) will inevitable consider the great idea of cutting out the middle man.
So you now have a iPod like device used by (potentially in the future) millions of people.
IF Amazon choose to refuse other competitors stores (namely the direct from the publisher stores) to use their bespoke DRM, then surely the publishers with the record companies past efforts in mind (and the succeses of publishers like Baen) will switch to non-DRM azw files.
Hence we reach that utopian future we all crave, one where we are no longer treated like potential criminals, but as trustworthy human beings and can purchase our books with the freedom of utilising them on whichever device we wish.

Steven Lyle Jordan · 12-16-2007, 10:41 AM

I don't really think Amazon is planning to purposely exclude any publishers from converting their books to Kindle's format. Since they already have print-based business relationships with them, they are more likely to point to their pull in the market, and convince them to join rather than fight.

Also, Amazon makes it easy for publishers with no prior busiess relationship to get their books into Amazon's hands anyway, through their desktop publishing system. This doesn't seem like a company that plans to exclude anybody.

On the other hand... making e-book purchasing and reading fairly ubiquitous and iTunes/iPod easy, which Amazon is clearly attempting with the Kindle, could result in a market confortable with buying e-books (and mainly leaving them on their Kindle, as opposed to copying or sharing). In such a market, DRM could potentially be removed, with no appreciable loss to the industry, as iTunes is now releasing non-DRM'd music.

THJahar · 12-16-2007, 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Steve Jordan

I don't really think Amazon is planning to purposely exclude any publishers from converting their books to Kindle's format. Since they already have print-based business relationships with them, they are more likely to point to their pull in the market, and convince them to join rather than fight.

yeh but that's the whole point of my argument....the publishers tired of giving amazon a slice of the pie, do not need to do so if they had their own online stores, and with that of course amazon are not going to allow these stores to use DRM'ed AZW files, therefore the publishers will have no choice but to go DRM free if they want to cut out amazon altogether (on the precept that the kindle is the ubiquitious device)

mrkai · 12-16-2007, 01:04 PM

That's not really how it works.

You see, the idea (sigh) isn't to sell as much as you can to people that want to buy it. They idea is to prevent people that don't want to buy it from getting it

Completely backwards.

Hence, the current state of affairs, ie utter chaos, fraught with implication and doomed to failure.

jasonkchapman · 12-16-2007, 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by THJahar

yeh but that's the whole point of my argument....the publishers tired of giving amazon a slice of the pie, do not need to do so if they had their own online stores, and with that of course amazon are not going to allow these stores to use DRM'ed AZW files, therefore the publishers will have no choice but to go DRM free if they want to cut out amazon altogether (on the precept that the kindle is the ubiquitious device)

Some of them already have their own stores, though. Simon & Schuster sells e-books directly at 35% off list. They support Adobe, MS, and eReader. If they were going to give up Kindle sales, they might just as easily keep the DRM and sell on price. If they can sell to Amazon at wholesale, they can just as easily sell to the public at wholesale.

Liviu_5 · 12-16-2007, 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by THJahar

What if the kindle does become the iPod of the ebook world, and sells millions of units.

That is a zero probability event in the current Kindle incarnation.

carld · 12-17-2007, 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by TallMomof2

I'm having the same issue. Kindle was recognized as a device until I installed 6.1. Think I'll see if I can uninstall 6.1 and go back to 6.0.

Would anyone happen to have a link to version 6.0? All I've found so far is 6.1.

astra · 12-18-2007, 04:25 AM

Guys and gals!

I thought that after this hack, Igorsk's karma would be boosted up by a few thousands...come on! Do it!

He has done such a wonderful job!

I, personally, have no use for it but the idea..

TallMomof2 · 12-18-2007, 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by carld

Would anyone happen to have a link to version 6.0? All I've found so far is 6.1.

I couldn't find it either.

Nate the great · 12-18-2007, 03:04 PM

but I have found 5.0, 5.1, and 5.2. They do not recognize the Kindle or any other device. It appears that they depend upon PDA desktop software to add a device.

My best guess is that it wasn't added until 6.0. I am going to go look for it some more. If I can't find it, I will seriously consider putting a $50 bounty on it.

TallMomof2 · 12-18-2007, 06:01 PM

If you find it, let me know. I'll be glad to chip in on the bounty especially if 6.0 will recognize my Kindle.

12-16-2007, 01:16 AM	#140
THJahar Zealot Posts: 107 Karma: 58 Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Leicester, UK Device: Jinke V2 Prototype	I think we are overlooking something, is the fact that Amazon used a 'bespoke' DRM scheme actually a backdoor to a DRM free e-book movement? Hear me out. What if the kindle does become the iPod of the ebook world, and sells millions of units. Like the ipod, people with a bit of moral backbone will actually start buying DRM'ed product rather than just sucking it up from the Darknet. But unlike the iPod the competitors will realise that they cannot compete by using an alernate DRM scheme (i.e. plays for sure and other mp3 players) because as the example shows, it failed miserably, as was the case with MP3 players, the other services have realised that they had to go to a DRM free model which with a lot of badgering and heckling of the record companies they have slowly started to do. Now print publishers (those money hungry oligopolists) will inevitable consider the great idea of cutting out the middle man. So you now have a iPod like device used by (potentially in the future) millions of people. IF Amazon choose to refuse other competitors stores (namely the direct from the publisher stores) to use their bespoke DRM, then surely the publishers with the record companies past efforts in mind (and the succeses of publishers like Baen) will switch to non-DRM azw files. Hence we reach that utopian future we all crave, one where we are no longer treated like potential criminals, but as trustworthy human beings and can purchase our books with the freedom of utilising them on whichever device we wish. Last edited by THJahar; 12-16-2007 at 10:37 AM.

12-18-2007, 03:04 PM	#149
Nate the great Sir Penguin of Edinburgh Posts: 12,375 Karma: 23555235 Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: DC Metro area Device: Shake a stick plus 1	I can't find 6.0 either, but I have found 5.0, 5.1, and 5.2. They do not recognize the Kindle or any other device. It appears that they depend upon PDA desktop software to add a device. My best guess is that it wasn't added until 6.0. I am going to go look for it some more. If I can't find it, I will seriously consider putting a $50 bounty on it.

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12-15-2007, 03:49 PM	#139
mrkai Bit Wrangler Posts: 181 Karma: 415 Join Date: Oct 2007 Device: Sony PRS-505	Gotcha. Understood. I apologize for assuming your understanding was for possibly some other reason.

12-16-2007, 10:41 AM	#141
Steven Lyle Jordan Grand Sorcerer Posts: 8,478 Karma: 5171130 Join Date: Jan 2006 Device: none	I don't really think Amazon is planning to purposely exclude any publishers from converting their books to Kindle's format. Since they already have print-based business relationships with them, they are more likely to point to their pull in the market, and convince them to join rather than fight. Also, Amazon makes it easy for publishers with no prior busiess relationship to get their books into Amazon's hands anyway, through their desktop publishing system. This doesn't seem like a company that plans to exclude anybody. On the other hand... making e-book purchasing and reading fairly ubiquitous and iTunes/iPod easy, which Amazon is clearly attempting with the Kindle, could result in a market confortable with buying e-books (and mainly leaving them on their Kindle, as opposed to copying or sharing). In such a market, DRM could potentially be removed, with no appreciable loss to the industry, as iTunes is now releasing non-DRM'd music.

12-16-2007, 01:04 PM	#143
mrkai Bit Wrangler Posts: 181 Karma: 415 Join Date: Oct 2007 Device: Sony PRS-505	That's not really how it works. You see, the idea (sigh) isn't to sell as much as you can to people that want to buy it. They idea is to prevent people that don't want to buy it from getting it Completely backwards. Hence, the current state of affairs, ie utter chaos, fraught with implication and doomed to failure.

12-18-2007, 04:25 AM	#147
astra The Introvert Posts: 8,307 Karma: 1000077497 Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: United Kingdom Device: Sony Reader PRS-650 & 505 & 500	Guys and gals! I thought that after this hack, Igorsk's karma would be boosted up by a few thousands...come on! Do it! He has done such a wonderful job! I, personally, have no use for it but the idea..

12-18-2007, 06:01 PM	#150
TallMomof2 Kindlephilia Posts: 2,017 Karma: 1139255 Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Snowpacolypse 2010 Device: Too many to count	If you find it, let me know. I'll be glad to chip in on the bounty especially if 6.0 will recognize my Kindle.

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