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In Perpetuity |
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7 | 3.66% |
50+ Years |
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32 | 16.75% |
20-30 Years |
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50 | 26.18% |
10-20 Years |
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33 | 17.28% |
10-20 Years with renewal option for 10-20 more |
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45 | 23.56% |
25 Years with option for public referendum to nullify |
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4 | 2.09% |
10 Years with option for public referendum to nullify |
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15 | 7.85% |
What's Copyright? |
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5 | 2.62% |
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It has been said that ideas cannot be copyrighted but that is simply not true. The form of an ideas expression is tangential to the idea itself. If you must have your copyright, then we must ask for a more limited time than currently given. ![]() |
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Everything published in the US before 1955 would be in the public domain if the laws hadn't been changed. I don't see how putting things back to the expectations that existed when those things were published hurts those authors/musicians/film creators; after all, 28+28 was enough incentive for them at the time. Or bring back the 28+28 list, and give them 5 years to register anything that's more than 28 years old, and everything before ~1983 that's not registered can fall into the public domain. At the time they published it, re-registration was an expectation; why should that be revoked? And note that now, "anyone who already has copyrighted material" is EVERY CHILD WHO CAN WRITE. Every 3rd-grade assignment about "what my family does for birthday dinners" is protected by copyright, for Life+70. Every grocery list. Every doodle in the margins of a concert flyer. It is *ridiculous* that all that material, everything written or drawn or posted on the internet, should be locked away from open use for the next hundred-or-so years. |
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Once again I think copyright should last 7 years, and no more than 10 under any circumstances. |
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There are cases where that might be reasonably argued; this isn't one of them. I went looking for Mobileread's copyright TOS and couldn't find one, which is refreshingly sane. (Online forums shouldn't need to have copyright policies; we have copyright laws for those issues. The fact that those laws are atrocious at coping with casual social exchange of data is supposed to be a feature, not a bug; they're designed to go after corporate infringements, not individual ones.) Quote:
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I have not voted for any of the choices because I, like a lot of others here, think it should be for the lifetime of the author + 10-20 yrs. This would take care of estate costs, as well as surviving spouses which might depend on such support.
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I am not entirely certain I follow your logic behind "ideas expression is tangential to the idea itself", there may be instances where this is true (or almost so, thinking here about early software battles that tried to use copyright to protect "look and feel" - which didn't work) but it is hardly seems universal, and I think doubtful it is significant. I find it difficult to find any justification to reduce copyright other than the practical issues surrounding orphaned/unavailable works, and I think there are probably other ways around those problems. All the rest seems a strange sort of acquisitive "I am entitled to it" sort of grab that I simply don't understand at all. |
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Strictly legal or not, that pretty much covers what they need I think. You'd have trouble arguing in court that you didn't understand what was going to happen with any material you posted here, even without that disclaimer. |
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Free Mickey Mouse!
I guess you mean life of the author plus x? The voting options were not very specific. Well, they were extended and extended again, and again to the detriment of creative forces and to the benefit of multinational corporations.
Laws made sure nobody can do what Disney did and become.... Watch this and decide.... http://randomfoo.net/oscon/2002/lessig/free.html |
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As a side issue--it grants *the forum owners* the right to distribute one's works. (Which they need, or the content couldn't be distributed to other people's computers.) It doesn't grant every individual member of the forum the right to grab the contents of one's posts and use them at will. Certainly, there's no automatic right to repost all the ebooks here somewhere else. (Some are in public domain, but some are here by specific author permission.) There's no right for someone in the forum to grab all of someone else's posts, edit them a bit, and sell a book of, oh, 'HarryT's ebook tips & tricks.' (Although the TOS bit mentioned above might allow the forum owners to do just that.) It doesn't automatically grant the forum owners the right to assign third parties the right to use other people's copyrighted material, which quoting is. However, quoting-with-comments should fall well within fair use-esqe laws. |
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(without reading anything after the OP)
In my opinion until the author's death, or until the date of his/hers 80th birthday; whichever is longer. Example: Joe writes a novel while he is 40. So he gets 40 years of copyright, and if he dies with 60, his ancestor benefit from the copyright 20 more years. A bit like continuing a successful family business. After the copyright time - free domain. |
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Copyright of an idea, it's definitely a human phenomenon. A pact between each member of society, to be nice to each other. I think free sharing of all ideas and a more adequate distribution of resources would be a lot nicer don't you? Why are we spending so much on bombs when we should be using those funds to get more ereaders and more ebooks into the hands of everyone??? ![]() |
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I am not sure at death is manageable.
Since death may occur at anytime would publishers want to sign a contract with an elderly author worried that their book will enter public domain before recouping their expenses? Can publishers separate sales by date? If an author dies March 18th, can they determine with accuracy sales before and after that date from all their retail partners worldwide? I would think publishers and authors would prefer more advanced notice when material would hit public domain. |
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I think the author and spouse have every reason to expect to profit from their work.
I do not, however, see the point in copyright existing after the author and the spouse have died. But, just to make it so people don't start offing authors hoping to cash in, let's say 10 or 20 years after death. Also, there could be a provision that says if a child outlives the parents, he can keep the copyright until he or she turns 18 or 21, since they can reasonably expect to use profits for living expenses. The 10 or 20 years would help make publishers more eager to publish works by elderly authors as well, because it guarantees them at least 10 or 20 years of exclusive rights. Last edited by MV64; 03-19-2011 at 07:50 PM. |
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