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True, copyright law. Which is amended and changed too often to my liking (hopefully one day it will change to my liking). I don't think criminal law defining theft has been changed or likely to change soon. Depriving from livelihood is not a theft btw, if I write and article saying that author A sucks, and 10000 people doesn't buy his work, I am effectively denying his "right to a livelihood", am I a thief now? |
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And as said before, why should you be entitled to another form, that may be more expensive to produce (note that you said ALL media forms)? |
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09-30-2009, 10:31 AM | #36 |
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and btw I'm getting sick of MoeJoe derailing every thread that has even the most remote connection with digital media, copyright and authors rights.
Let's please try to stick to the topic at hand and report off-topic posts. |
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The verb "entitled" was used by a previous replier.
I'm quite amazed by the pessimism and negativism of most of the responders. They'd rather spend hours digitizing their paper, or come up with incorrect counterexamples, hoard than think of technosocial ways to converge the two -- and most importantly, exert the pressure on the publishers to deliver the content in ways convenient to consumers. A surprising and sad pastiche! Paperback vs hardback is not the same as an ebook for paperback of any sort. Gifting is surely an option, but the option can be restricted to the previuosly owned *unreturnable* books! Then gifting indeed is an option -- and an attractive inducer to buy the ebook for the extra $5! While the ebook and paper book publishers may differ, there's still a way to negotiate the rights. And so forth. |
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Stealing: taking something which you are not allowed to take. This, at least, is what stealing means at my home. Now, no law in the world allow you to take for yourself a book unless the AUTHOR and the PUBLISHER say "ok, you can". There are 2 ways to be granted permission to TAKE a book: paying, or obeying to a licence that says "you can have this book if you do not claim authorship" (like some GPL licenses). Now move on. Last edited by DaleDe; 09-30-2009 at 11:31 AM. |
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Nobody with a minimum understanding of the law can say it's the same. It's like to say that spit in one's face is actually murder because it hurts the human being on many levels and who says it's not, he lives in a fantasy world.... |
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So looking at a copyrighted music video someone has uploaded illegally is theft? (You are copying the video to your computer to view it without the right to do so)
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And I'm not sure that "stealing" it's what you mean even in your home... Last edited by pshrynk; 09-30-2009 at 11:58 AM. Reason: Removal of offensive language. |
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There are two different angles to consider the original request/comment. First, is through legal means, second it through the market.
In my opinion (and this is only my opinion, I'm not stating it as fact!) creators can and should retain full legal rights to their own work. If they choose to give it away - fine. If they choose to sell it for $10,000 per copy -- that's OK too. If they want to charge more for each edition that is also their right. However, the market, and each of us through our buying habits, can support and encourage pricing that we find attractive. For years, I have been buying most of my books from Baen. In many cases, when you buy a Baen hardback you get a CD with the same book in e-form. If you won't sell me a book in a form that is flexible in its use and reasonably priced, then I have the right to decide to buy books from someone else. Here is where my logic is tested, however. Long before ebooks, I was 'hooked' on the Dorsai series by Gordon Dickson. Many of these are not in print, nor in e-book form. Since Dickson passed away a few years ago, I don't have great hopes for them being re-released. So, although its easy to 'stay away' from books I have never read; it is more difficult to do so when I am already 'hooked' on the product. I'm not sure that Dickson's books are truly abandoned -- I imagine he has some heirs somewhere about. But it is this category that Google is trying to address. I can see both sides of this issue. I believe that what Google is doing is illegal. I also believe that their intent fits with their mantra of: 'doing no evil' and will both help society and help the original (deceased?) authors achieve their slice of immortality. Last edited by emellaich; 09-30-2009 at 11:37 AM. |
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Wow. This thread went downhill in record time. I'm going to ask just once for everyone to step back and calm down. We can disagree without being rude.
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