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Old 10-18-2021, 12:43 PM   #136
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So main points for comparisons between the two would be:

1. Screen contrasts
2. Light diffusin on screen
I value more a screen with flexible substrate
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Old 10-18-2021, 12:50 PM   #137
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I value more a screen with flexible substrate
Fun fact: Modern screens are made of softer glass, so they don't break as easily as older screens. They are by all means more flexible than screens in the past. The downside is that modern screens scratch far easier than older screens.
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Old 10-18-2021, 01:02 PM   #138
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Fun fact: Modern screens are made of softer glass, so they don't break as easily as older screens. They are by all means more flexible than screens in the past. The downside is that modern screens scratch far easier than older screens.
Good to know, thanks. Flexible, but if are they're hit, still easily break, aren't they?
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Old 10-18-2021, 01:10 PM   #139
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Good to know, thanks. Flexible, but if are they're hit, still easily break, aren't they?
I have yet to throw marbles at my devices or have it fall screen first on an obstacle but I'd assume that this would also break a Möbius screen. I just use a normal case for my devices, never used a screen protector and never had any issues with my devices. I know your mileage may vary but broken screens really don't seem to be a common issue.
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Old 10-18-2021, 01:37 PM   #140
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Fun fact: Modern screens are made of softer glass, so they don't break as easily as older screens. They are by all means more flexible than screens in the past. The downside is that modern screens scratch far easier than older screens.
What do you consider modern? And when you say screen, you are not refering to substrate?

I don't recall a single post on MR about a broken substrate on a Forma, even though it is a larger device that seems to have much weaker structural support?
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Old 10-18-2021, 05:00 PM   #141
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Fun fact: Modern screens are made of softer glass, so they don't break as easily as older screens. They are by all means more flexible than screens in the past. The downside is that modern screens scratch far easier than older screens.
But with phones you can often still use them even if the screen is cracked. With a cracked substrate, the ereader is dead. And as pointed out elsewhere, screens are not the same as substrates.

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I have yet to throw marbles at my devices or have it fall screen first on an obstacle but I'd assume that this would also break a Möbius screen. I just use a normal case for my devices, never used a screen protector and never had any issues with my devices. I know your mileage may vary but broken screens really don't seem to be a common issue.
The Mobius uses a plastic substrate, it is very very hard to break (it has another failure point from what I've seen but that one doesn't render it unusable, just makes it like those TVs that have a line running down it iirc).

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What do you consider modern? And when you say screen, you are not refering to substrate?

I don't recall a single post on MR about a broken substrate on a Forma, even though it is a larger device that seems to have much weaker structural support?
Exactly, the two are not the same and my Forma has suffered so much that if it had a glass substrate it would have been dead many times over but it's still working fine. Plus if they were using a glass substrate like the new glass from the screens on the foldable phones or even the newest gorilla glass, they'd advertise it. But since the screens are made by eInk, I'm assuming it's the same substrate for all of them and nothing too advanced (though the "making of" video for the Elipsa does show it is FLEXIBLE but that could be partially due to size).
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The Mobius uses a plastic substrate, it is very very hard to break (it has another failure point from what I've seen but that one doesn't render it unusable, just makes it like those TVs that have a line running down it iirc).

My Forma has that; it's a single vertical line of inverted pixels.
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My Forma has that; it's a single vertical line of inverted pixels.
Are you talking about the well-advertised 'Wedge of Woe' vertical light issue that plagues the Forma? Or something different?
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Old 10-19-2021, 08:14 AM   #144
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Are you talking about the well-advertised 'Wedge of Woe' vertical light issue that plagues the Forma? Or something different?

No, I know of the shadow in the frontlight at the button side. This is something different. I have a single line going down my screen (about a third from the non-button side in portrait) where the pixels are inverted: black on a white background, and white on black. I think that's what @Nightyume is talking about.
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Are you talking about the well-advertised 'Wedge of Woe' vertical light issue that plagues the Forma? Or something different?

No Wedge of Woe (I like that one ) on my new Sage.
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Just got my new Sage. Well, it's for my wife because her Forma had a bad battery.
It right away updated to a new software version: 4.29.18730.
Did anyone see that version for existing kobos?

Screen looks great, more uniform and crispier than the Forma. Loading about 1000 books into the database went sort of quick. 20 seconds or so.
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Just got my new Sage. Well, it's for my wife because her Forma had a bad battery.
It right away updated to a new software version: 4.29.18730.
Did anyone see that version for existing kobos?

Screen looks great, more uniform and crispier than the Forma. Loading about 1000 books into the database went sort of quick. 20 seconds or so.
Sounds encouraging. Mine (preordered 7 Oct) hasn't shipped yet.

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