George RR Martin - The Winds of Winter - Not coming soon.

Angst · 11-12-2018, 12:50 PM

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I’ve been struggling with it for a few years,” he said, a fact that every fan knows acutely. “The Winds of Winter is not so much a novel as a dozen novels, each with a different protagonist, each having a different cast of supporting players and antagonists and allies and lovers around them, and all of these weaving together in an extremely complex fashion. So it’s very, very challenging. Fire and Blood by contrast was very simple. Not that it’s easy, it still took me years to put together, but it is easier.”

--George RR Martin

--George RR Martin interview with The Guardian

DiapDealer · 11-12-2018, 01:19 PM

Once HBO airs its version of 'The End', I suspect the novel will follow shortly after.

PurpleStar · 11-12-2018, 02:30 PM

It’ll never be finished. He’ll just let the tv show finish it for him.

GlenBarrington · 11-12-2018, 07:47 PM

I'm not sure I care anymore.

Sarmat89 · 11-12-2018, 10:17 PM

That's getting ridiculous.

David Munch · 11-13-2018, 06:19 AM

By now I expect a mediocre book, when it is finally released. I don't think he knows where to take the story, and the extreme pressure on him, likely creates some situations where he just picks the easiest path in front of him.

Personally I can wait. I enjoyed the currently released books, and look forward to reading them again, along with the last 2+ books. But I won't start re-reading them, until all the books are released, and I honestly don't think he'll live through to finish them at this point, given his current speed, and the fact that he hasn't even started writing on Dreams of Spring.

drofgnal · 11-13-2018, 07:11 AM

I gave up a long time ago. Books 1, 2, and 3 were great. 4, not so great, 5 I stopped about 1/2 way through.

I wouldn't read Winds of Winter if you gave it to me for free. I don't believe it will be worth the effort.

tas03 · 11-13-2018, 09:16 AM

Maybe if he quit working on other projects he would get it finished. It seems like every time I turn around there is some new anthology or something with his name on it.

Apache · 11-13-2018, 10:47 AM

Maybe he should form a support group with Jim Butcher.

Apache

JimmyR · 11-13-2018, 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Apache

Maybe he should form a support group with Jim Butcher.

Apache

Patrick Rothfuss can also join. :P

NNolan · 11-13-2018, 01:13 PM

Scott Lynch should join too. And J V Jones......

hildea · 11-13-2018, 02:03 PM

I think Neil Gaiman said it pretty well in his blog post Entitlement issues:

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Originally Posted by Neil Gaiman

George R.R. Martin is not your bitch.

This is a useful thing to know, perhaps a useful thing to point out when you find yourself thinking that possibly George is, indeed, your bitch, and should be out there typing what you want to read right now.

People are not machines. Writers and artists aren't machines.

Apache · 11-13-2018, 02:30 PM

That's fine I know that. I just think if they are on hiatus, hitting a dry spell or chasing a love interest they should say so. That I understand, not the, "I will have the book out in six months", every six months for two or three years.
Apache

DiapDealer · 11-13-2018, 02:48 PM

Ahhh ... I wondered when the ol' Gaiman defense would be trotted out.

Martin brings on the criticism himself, by being so public about his appearances and hobbies, and side-projects (and passion for the Jets, and figurine painting... yada, yada).

Fans (most fans anyway) would be happy to wait for his books if he wasn't in everyone's face with all the look-at-me-not-working-on-the-stuff-you-really-care-about-(and that made me what I am today) aspects of his life.

Martin doesn't care about finishing this series. That's why he's letting HBO do it for him. He just needs to admit it and move on.

HarryT · 11-13-2018, 04:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hildea

I think Neil Gaiman said it pretty well in his blog post Entitlement issues:

You're overlooking the fact that Martin himself is the one setting the expectations. He's the one setting - and breaking - the deadlines.

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11-12-2018, 01:19 PM	#2
DiapDealer Grand Sorcerer Posts: 24,721 Karma: 169429004 Join Date: Jan 2010 Device: Nexus 7, Kindle Fire HD	Once HBO airs its version of 'The End', I suspect the novel will follow shortly after.

11-12-2018, 02:30 PM	#3
PurpleStar Wizard Posts: 1,618 Karma: 11387182 Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Canada Device: Kobo Libra H20,Kobo Clara HD	It’ll never be finished. He’ll just let the tv show finish it for him.

11-12-2018, 07:47 PM	#4
GlenBarrington Cheese Whiz Posts: 1,969 Karma: 11532269 Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Springfield, Illinois Device: Kindle PW2, Samsung Tab A 10.1(2019), Pixel 3a.	I'm not sure I care anymore.

11-12-2018, 10:17 PM	#5
Sarmat89 Addict Posts: 312 Karma: 2145408 Join Date: Nov 2015 Device: none	That's getting ridiculous.

11-13-2018, 06:19 AM	#6
David Munch Scholar Posts: 982 Karma: 3999312 Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Denmark Device: iPad 2 + iPad Air 2 + iPad Air 4	By now I expect a mediocre book, when it is finally released. I don't think he knows where to take the story, and the extreme pressure on him, likely creates some situations where he just picks the easiest path in front of him. Personally I can wait. I enjoyed the currently released books, and look forward to reading them again, along with the last 2+ books. But I won't start re-reading them, until all the books are released, and I honestly don't think he'll live through to finish them at this point, given his current speed, and the fact that he hasn't even started writing on Dreams of Spring.

11-13-2018, 07:11 AM	#7
drofgnal Wizard Posts: 1,011 Karma: 7221700 Join Date: Dec 2009 Device: Ipad Pro/Kindle Oasis 3/iPhone 13 Pro Max	I gave up a long time ago. Books 1, 2, and 3 were great. 4, not so great, 5 I stopped about 1/2 way through. I wouldn't read Winds of Winter if you gave it to me for free. I don't believe it will be worth the effort.

11-13-2018, 09:16 AM	#8
tas03 Zealot Posts: 128 Karma: 129368 Join Date: Feb 2017 Device: Nook Glowlight +, Nook Tab. , Nook Simple Touch, iPad Air, iPhone 6Se	Maybe if he quit working on other projects he would get it finished. It seems like every time I turn around there is some new anthology or something with his name on it.

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Apache Readaholic Posts: 4,674 Karma: 86028036 Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: South Georgia Device: Surface Pro 6 / Galaxy Tab A 8"	Maybe he should form a support group with Jim Butcher. Apache

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NNolan Compulsive Gadget Geek Posts: 387 Karma: 4210046 Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Almost Canada Device: One of each, and two in some cases	Scott Lynch should join too. And J V Jones......

11-13-2018, 02:30 PM	#13
Apache Readaholic Posts: 4,674 Karma: 86028036 Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: South Georgia Device: Surface Pro 6 / Galaxy Tab A 8"	That's fine I know that. I just think if they are on hiatus, hitting a dry spell or chasing a love interest they should say so. That I understand, not the, "I will have the book out in six months", every six months for two or three years. Apache

11-13-2018, 02:48 PM	#14
DiapDealer Grand Sorcerer Posts: 24,721 Karma: 169429004 Join Date: Jan 2010 Device: Nexus 7, Kindle Fire HD	Ahhh ... I wondered when the ol' Gaiman defense would be trotted out. Martin brings on the criticism himself, by being so public about his appearances and hobbies, and side-projects (and passion for the Jets, and figurine painting... yada, yada). Fans (most fans anyway) would be happy to wait for his books if he wasn't in everyone's face with all the look-at-me-not-working-on-the-stuff-you-really-care-about-(and that made me what I am today) aspects of his life. Martin doesn't care about finishing this series. That's why he's letting HBO do it for him. He just needs to admit it and move on.