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Does a viable niche exist between E-Ink and LCD? Maybe. But each improvement on cost, clarity and power consumption on either side shrinks that potential niche just a little bit more. |
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E-Ink didn't come into a completely fresh market area. There were already low-power reflective displays, but they just weren't very good. E-Ink pretty much killed reflective LCD displays except in the very lowest priced items. Last edited by pdurrant; 11-11-2018 at 04:35 AM. |
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And to solve the problem of visualizing data, talking about niches seems to assume that «E-Ink and LCD» are amply satisfactory technologies. They are not.
I am not sure that these technologies still allow linear improvements. Now, the current evidence of the long-term direction is towards * heightened mobility and the need to access information anytime (so anywhere), and * increased use of video as a format to spread information - while multi-source information remains (on the erudite's desk more books remained open, in the centuries) the paradigm (ALT+TAB, Hypertext). Existing widespread technologies fall short, for either reason. Natural-light friendly, high refresh, color, efficient smart low power consumption, good visual quality: this is still missed, and this is the goal. Of course, who gets the better placement on this vectors and on the implicit ones (cheap etc.) eats up the rest in function of the intended use. Last edited by mdp; 11-11-2018 at 06:56 AM. |
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Also, I misstated, slightly. It was not so much e-Ink creating the market as Amazon creating the market using E-Ink's technology. Compare sales levels before and after the advent of Amazon-EInk, and I'd be very surprised if they were not multiple orders of magnitude different. |
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The argument, as I read it, would be that "Fiction readers are already plentifully satisfied by EPD - EPD will remain the dominant choice for them". Which is good - and of course no technology which is useful in some context should vanish. But those lucky sons-of-a-saddle, oh I remember when I myself devoured fiction too, sweet were the times, represent a component of all the "mobile readers", roughly countable in billions. It is probably worth mentioning that the choice is not univocal: one has LCD, OLED, EPD, paper... Quote:
(Edit: well, there are really both bets. Myself, I am interested in getting my own device.) Last edited by mdp; 11-18-2018 at 10:48 AM. |
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They're both very, very slow to refresh but they are real coloured 'inks' rather than using a filter. Andrew |
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Electronic Paper Display Report, published by Allied Market Research, forecasts that the global market is expected to garner $4274 billion by 2022, registering a CAGR of 37.5% during the period 2022. North America dominated the global market in 2015, accounting for a market share of over 34%. https://www.openpr.com/news/1394355/...d-Samsung.html Last edited by Matilo; 11-23-2018 at 03:30 PM. |
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Hrafn seems to have picked only the topmost, "simplest" solution, and which actually made it to e-readers, with static filtering.
For that matter, also Mirasol/IMOD is fully feasible, distributed and ingeniously using complex technology: micromirrors. Of course filtering is not the only way. Last edited by mdp; 01-20-2019 at 10:57 AM. |
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CLEARink now has Lenovo as a backer.
These are very good news. Last edited by mdp; 01-20-2019 at 10:31 AM. |
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Sorry, I was in mobility and the comfort of the phone interface makes me express like Officer Crabtree. I corrected the original post. Good Moaning again.
Anyway, yes I hope we will get good bread indeed. According to Elizabeth Sutton (Idboox), L. invested 10 mil. Last edited by mdp; 01-20-2019 at 10:51 AM. |
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This has to be the first real piece of positive news that we are actually going to be getting a reflective colour product released!
After all the years of hype and disappointment in Liquavista (turns out they could never get it to market) this has me excited again that we might get the dream display many on here have been waiting for! However I have been following Clearink on youtube for the last two years and they are not hitting their release timescales as they wanted a product out initially by early 2018,then they said by end of 2018 so things don't seem to be going super well for them so hopefully they actually release something this year as apparently they are releasing a Chinese 'educational' tablet first. If it turns out half as good as their claims for final production then I'll be importing day one no matter the cost They have only ever shown one prototype display at the different display trade shows and I'll admit it did look underwhelming but they keep saying the display will improve dramatically when put into actual production so we will wait and see. |
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Having been bitten by the Jetbook Color debacle I'm not believing colour eInk is viable in a reader until I can hold it in my hands in real world conditions.
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