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I'm too lazy to register for Baen. Did Ms Bujold hint that she saw decreased sales due to the CD?
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08-22-2012, 12:17 AM | #33 | |
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I think there are several people here making a mountain out of a molehill. Sure, Ms. Bujold, when she realized that the CD was freely redistributable was not happy, as she put it:
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I suspect Ms. Bujold's contract allowed for Baen to distribute the CD for promotional purposes, and that she was unaware of the extent of the distribution allowed. That happens. I know at least one author has pulled books from the Baen Free Library too. IMHO, that's the author's right. I'm sure Baen would rather keep their authors happy and pull promotional material (when they can), even if the contract doesn't require them to. Does she need to prove that having the freely available CD with 2/3rds of her work on it is cutting into her sales? No. It could even be in her economic best interest to leave it up at The Fifth Imperium and other places, but if she believes otherwise, we should respect her wishes. |
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08-22-2012, 12:32 AM | #34 | |
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You really need to read the thread. She claimed that she had no real way to come to the conclusion other then her book Memory which wasn't included in the CD sales went up. As to those who think this is making mountain out of molehill please read the Sample Chapters thread. The little bit quoted in our thread isn't all she said about things. You really need to read the thread to see why a few of us was tuned off by her attitude Last edited by Blossom; 08-22-2012 at 12:57 AM. |
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I'm more than willing to buy the book and get the books that way but I don't want to support an author who cries fowl as someone put it. Quote:
However I can say I have bought many books from authors who gave away free books as a promo. Amazon is always getting me to buy some self publisher back list titles because I got a few free. Just this last week I purchased several books that were next in the series from free books I've gotten the previous week. Last edited by Blossom; 08-22-2012 at 07:14 PM. Reason: Dyslexic Mind at work! |
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08-22-2012, 03:23 AM | #36 |
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Ok. I registered and read the thread. Basically she says sales were flat for her previous titles and she's seen increased number of reviews excitedly directing people to the free CD on the 5th Imperium.
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08-22-2012, 06:42 AM | #37 |
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I grabbed a copy of the ISO from the Fifth Imperium and after reading the first book, promptly bought Memories so as to make sure I had the lot.
I was then going to buy some of the other books (would have ended up buying them all eventually), even though I've already grabbed them from ISO. I did this with Honor Harrington and now own the lot even though I got most of the books from the Fifth Imperium. This is very dissapointing for me as I like to use those CD's as a "Try-before-you-buy". I've certainly found authors I wouldn't have otherwise. I think it is going to be a long time before I read the rest of her books now. And calling the Fifth Imperium a pirate site sounds defamatory and possibly libelous, which make me even less inclined to read her books make payments for those free books now. |
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That's the only part I take issue with, to be frank. Being "unaware of the extent of the distribution allowed" is no one's fault but her own (or her agent's). There was no reason to lash out at the Fifth Imperium and call them a "pirate site" just because she was ignorant of the legalities. In an unsatisfactory situation where no party is legally in the wrong, the best course of action rarely involves being an ass about it. Figure it out ... work the problem ... get the result ... move on. But for god's sake forego the non-relevant braying.
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Some of her comments left a bad taste in my mouth. Everyone is entitled to an opinion but I honestly felt she was pointing fingers and firing bolts of lightening rather than sitting back and actually looking at what the free CDs were all about. Basically crying poor. |
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There's no way I'd have ever read Webber on a whim and whilst I was surprised so much was available for free, its made me buy more of his books because I know I like his writing and he gave so much for free. Quote:
What I take issue with, is calling the Fifth Imperium a pirate site. She or the publisher gave permission for what is been done to be done. Had she not equated the site with piracy and just asked for the CD to be removed, then I'd have seen it as just a failed experiment and fair enough. Saying it's a pirate site however really rubs me the wrong way. Quote:
Whether it will change my mind on reading her books, perhaps. Plenty of authors still available on the free library and fifth imperium to read several books in a series and decide whether they're worth buying more of. Last edited by JoeD; 08-22-2012 at 08:21 AM. |
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Frankly, if I had to choose between the rest of Baen and Bujold, I'd choose Bujold.
I don't feel that fifthimperium were doing anything too wrong (although its own popularity seems to have worked against it), but I think it was kind of against the spirit of the CDs. The CDs were for owners of the hardback to evangelise to their friends, not to say "hey, everyone in the world, no need to pay for that stuff, get it free here." That's probably Baen's mistake, but then Bujold's CD could quite easily be good for Baen and bad for Bujold. It promotes other Baen books, not written by her. Baen already have a try-before-you-buy system. It's called the Free Library. They do not offer the CDs for worldwide download there. It sounds like Bujold was a bit strong (I haven't read the thread, yet - I'm about to), but fifthimperium seems to have respected her wishes and pulled the files. What's the problem? It's worth mentioning that the CDs were up for 18 months or more. I imagine the sales situation has clarified in that time. |
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Were any of her older works in the free library at all? I have this vague recollection one or two were.
I was recommended to read Bujold's works way back in the mid 90's but read Civil Campaign on the way to Hawaii in 2001. Loved her books since. However that might change now. |
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Ms Bujold apparently owns the ebook rights to most of her back list as stand alone books, do a search for Amazon Kindle or B&N Nook books, you will find most of them. Baen has the rights to the Omnibus editions. bernie |
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08-22-2012, 10:45 AM | #45 | |
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Maybe we should open a thread of "authors who did something or said something I didn't like" so everyone can get in on the action of suggesting we not read specific authors because of something they said instead of whether their work is any good. |
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