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View Poll Results: Should we change one of the classic months to another genre? | |||
Yes - Change it | 12 | 30.77% | |
No - Leave it as it is | 20 | 51.28% | |
Either way is fine with me | 7 | 17.95% | |
Voters: 39. You may not vote on this poll |
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07-26-2011, 01:13 PM | #46 |
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The WWI demarcation makes more sense to me than WWII (1939). In terms of an absolute cataclysm in culture and society, WWI gets the nod. And since it's earlier, it gives more scope to books for the modern classic category. Because I really do think we want a cut-off date (implied if not explicit).
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07-26-2011, 01:20 PM | #47 | |
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To divide classics to assuage a few is to limit the categories more. If the group wants a modern classic during a classic month, one or more may be nominated and will be voted on and one will win. If anyone desperately wants a "modern classic" category (or prize-winning category, or whatever), then I suggest we look at another category besides the two classics to get rid of, since the poll so far has clearly shown support for two general "classic" months. |
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07-26-2011, 01:28 PM | #48 | |
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For instance, let us take sci-fi. You could have a sci-fi romance, a sci-fi comedy, a sci-fi classic, and so on, but you can't have a non-sci-fi sci-fi book. So the advantage will always be against the "non" regardless of category in this type of argument. |
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07-26-2011, 01:29 PM | #49 | |
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Second, PilotBob, in the spirit of community, is offering a compromise. You are free to take it or leave it. |
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SciFi Classic-1 SciFi Romance-2 SciFi Humor-3 SciFi Thriller-4 SciFi fantasy-5 SciFi Free for all - 6 Scifi Mystery- 7 SciFi-Horror- 8 SciFi WILD Card -9 9 is less than the 12 |
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07-26-2011, 01:37 PM | #51 |
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I'd be more sympathetic to the idea of compromise under either of two conditions:
If compromise had been sought instead of forcing things to a vote, with a sense that people were taking into consideration all viewpoints and not just their own dislikes, it would have been far better. If the vote (and it might change) were closer. Again, I don't like to see a bare majority dictate terms. But at close to 2/3 of those who have a preference who have explicitly voted no change, to force a change on them invalidates the poll. |
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I do not see a need to compromise. If the poll had gone the other way or if it still does, I would and will accept the results graciously. As I see it now, the results are clearly saying "leave the two classics months alone" but because of the very vocal opposition, pilotbob is still offering alternatives to try to assuage you. I respect you and JSWolf and your opinions, but I don't think that that's fair or necessary, honestly. |
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07-26-2011, 01:55 PM | #53 | |
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07-26-2011, 02:16 PM | #54 | |
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I don't care if they get changed to two different subgroups of classics (which works because classics is such a huge and nebulous category--while theoretically any of those books could be nominated now, splitting the category could encourage people to read a type of classic they normally wouldn't), or a different non-genre category (magazine, cookbook, college textbook, creative commons ebook), or an unrepresented genre. I'd just like to see 12 months of different types of books, even if a lot of books would qualify under more than one month. I'll accept the vote; if more people would like two months of classics than the extra variety, that's fine. But it's not just two people who aren't happy with two months of classics, and it's not all for the same reasons. |
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07-26-2011, 02:23 PM | #55 | |
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Thank you Elfwreck. I agree with all you've said (although I'm no so sure on cookbooks ). |
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07-26-2011, 02:34 PM | #56 | |
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Also, my very vocal opinions are in response to very vocal opinions that I originally thought were of someone trying to push something through by sheer force of will, and I still do think that. So basically, my vocality is in defence of a position that I think others share but hardly anyone else save one other is continually willing to counter arguments with over and over and over again. That said, my response wasn't about you two being vocal. It was about fairness and necessity. If the poll shows that the majority is fine with two classics, then there is no reason to change or modify that then. Pre-poll, "modern classic" and "prize-winning" were offered as alternatives to a second "classic", if it was decided not to keep a second classic. So far the results are showing support in favour of keeping the second classic. So if the poll results stay the same, to still change the second classic to "modern classic" or "prize winning" or whatever is to invalidate the poll in my opinion. Last edited by sun surfer; 07-26-2011 at 02:51 PM. |
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07-26-2011, 02:39 PM | #57 |
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So lets nominate non-fiction. But I am still going to nominate Harry Potter of we lose. There are a lot of classics that are not dull and boring. But we need to get people to realize this and stop picking the boring classics.
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07-26-2011, 02:41 PM | #58 | |
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I bet if we had a poll about combining sci-fi and fantasy together, it would get a fair amount of support and people coming out of the woodwork to argue why they should be combined. It probably wouldn't win, but it would get support, same as what's happening so far with two classics. |
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07-26-2011, 02:49 PM | #59 | |
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Your feelings on the matter are fine except that you added a "personal attack" to those who were vocal before you. You can try to call it whatever you want but your responses of late have not been gracious. No one was "forcing" anything, we were all making our opinions known. Saying "I was being vocal becuase he was being Vocal" is not a valid argument. Like I tell my children, two wrongs do not make a right, it just gets everyone involved in trouble. PilotBob has graciously offered a compromise. Whether or not you agree with his offer, the fact that he made it should have been accepted for what it was. The idea should not have been jumped all over. As the senior member/leader of this club it was his offer to make; just like when it comes to the Literary Book club it would have been your offer to make since you started that club. |
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07-26-2011, 03:04 PM | #60 | |
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I think we're both being very vocal and I don't necessarily see anything wrong with it on either side. But I think Jon and then you being so vocal has confused things to a degree that it seems like more people are adamant about a change than really are. At this point, if the poll results stay the same, I think to change the classic months in any way would be to invalidate the poll. I do think pilotbob's offer was gracious to those not wanting two classic months, but I am giving my opinion that it doesn't seem necessary or fair considering the poll results so far. However, he is the leader of the club so it is his decision to make. As I've said before, I'm fine with whatever is decided. |
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