Question about Gingerbread

mariel9898 · 03-24-2011, 08:48 PM

So now that the B&N update and opening of their app store is near, I'm trying to decide what I want to do but need a few questions answered.

I'm already rooted - I used autonooter 3.0. The main reason I chose it was because it kept all the B&N functionality. I feel like I have everything that I bought the NC for and so much more. I also liked that it was easy - all the other directions I found for rooting are too techie for me.

If you root with anything else like Froyo or Gingerbread do you maintain all the B&N functionality? I'm pretty sure that if you root with CM7 you get rid of all the B&N stuff so that's not an option for me though it is really cool.

What I really need to know is what is the easiest way to root the NC but still maintain all the B&N stuff on the device? I'm hoping a new version of autonooter will come out shortly after the B&N update, then I could backup, return to stock, root again and put all my apps back on. Is this even right? And I'm thinking why stay with 2.2 when 2.3 and Honeycomb are out (though I understand that HC is not "officially" out). Maybe I should use them if they are stable and keep the B&N stuff.

=X= · 03-25-2011, 10:40 AM

Hi Mariel,
It looks like your confusion names and versions, here is a little clarification. Froyo is 2.2, Gingerbread is 2.3. The stock nook OS is 2.1(Eclair). Right now the only version of 2.2(Froyo) for the nook is nookie. And the only version of 2.3(Gingerbread) is CM7.
The next B&N upgraded is based on Froyo(2.2) so you will be upgraded to 2.2 when it happens.

The term "root" is a UNIX term that really means "Administrator". The act of rooting does not change anything on your device, as far as functionality. What rooting does is makes you and administrator so you CAN make any changes to your device. For instance like installing apps.

Me personally I don't care for B&N core functionality. There was nothing about the stock nook OS that I liked, I even think the nook reading app in the market is better than what shipped with the default nook color. (But it lacks Magazines and Kids books)

I compete wiped my device and installed CM7(Gingerbread) on my device and am very happy with the results. All the apps work on CM7 since it contains all the core Android features. In matter of fact tablet based apps also work like tablet apps on the nook.

As far as how to re-root once the update goes through, you'll just have to wait until a developer updates the autonooter with the new changes.

=X=

mariel9898 · 03-25-2011, 01:19 PM

=X=

I knew most of that, but I didn't know that CM7 was Gingerbread. Thanks for clearing that up.

I think my best bet is to wait on the update and hope the autonooter developer comes out with something to root that.

But here is what I'm a bit confused about. You say you wiped out your NC and put CM7 on it. Is there a way to put CM7 without completely wiping out the device, meaning have it be something like what I have now with Eclair? The B&N stock is not the best, but I don't want to get rid of magazines and kids books, and from what I've read there will be more interactive cookbooks which may be part of the stock and I'm interested in that.

=X= · 03-25-2011, 01:59 PM

Yes there are two ways where you can keep the existing stock functionality.

1) Is to use CWM and create a dual boot system where you can boot between Stock nook OS and (Froyo/CM7/HC) your choice.

2) Create a bootable (Foryo/CM7/HC) microSD card and run off of the SD card.

The former option will give you the most stability and speed since the eMMC flash has the best performance, but it is a tad bit more complcated to setup. Here is the link
[ROM] Flashable eMMC dual boot ROMs (Froyo, Honeycomb, Eclair, CM7)

The latter is very easy to do, even easier than rooting the nook, but there is speed performance hit because microSD card are not as fast as eMMC. It is recommended you get a class 6 or class 10 card to improve performance.

Nook Devs NookColor

Booting from CM7 of an SD card is somewhat new, I'll refer you to
XDA Developers (Nook Development)

The last point is I first started with nookie Froyo on the SD card and found I never booted to the Stock OS. However I used a class 2 card and the speed performance was starting to get to me, the apps ran fine, it was just when they needed to read/write to the disk that took forever. Since I never used the stock OS, I decided to install CM7 on the internal memory.

=X=

dschoemaker · 03-26-2011, 10:50 AM

Just to post a different perspective.

I use the dual boot syste with 2.2 Froyo on my NC. If I hold down the N button it boots to stock, but if I let it boot normally it boots to Froyo. I really, really like booting to Android and use it 70% of the time.

BUT three things. First, I'm not gifted like some of the folks here and I didn't want to take the risk of ruining my NC by screwing up the eMMC (I know its rare, but if it happens I have a $200 paperweight).

Second, I read the Chicago Sun Times every morning. Really really aggrivates me that they don't have newspapers working in the App.

Third, I didn't want any auto-updates to mess with my NC. I'll take the updates when I boot to standard NC and compare them with Froyo.

I have a class 6 card, the wife a class 4... for some odd reason mine is much more stable, but the speed factor is negligible.

Personally I think its hilarious that a bunch of hobbiests got WAY out in front of Barnes & Noble on this product. They are easily six months if not a year ahead of people who get paid to come up with this stuff. If I was B&N I'd be hunting them down and hiring them for giving the NC some real legs.

Apoc · 03-26-2011, 11:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dschoemaker

Personally I think its hilarious that a bunch of hobbiests got WAY out in front of Barnes & Noble on this product. They are easily six months if not a year ahead of people who get paid to come up with this stuff. If I was B&N I'd be hunting them down and hiring them for giving the NC some real legs.

I believe that B&N isn't in the business of selling Nooks, really. Their profit margin on those isn't that great. What they're in the business for, is to sell books. The Nook is only the medium of selling those books.

Rooting the nook and allowing it to load books from other vendors isn't making them any money so there isn't much incentive to deviate from the basic strategy.

I'm a good example of that. I'm in Canada. I cannot purchase from the B&N store so the only way to use a Nook is to root it. So after B&N sold me a Nook and I rooted it they aren't expecting another dime from me.

Having said that however, I can see them improving the app base so that they can offer more features that will allow them to make sell more books and magazines. It makes more business sense.

Sethman · 03-26-2011, 07:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by =X=

Yes there are two ways where you can keep the existing stock functionality.

1) Is to use CWM and create a dual boot system where you can boot between Stock nook OS and (Froyo/CM7/HC) your choice.

2) Create a bootable (Foryo/CM7/HC) microSD card and run off of the SD card.

The former option will give you the most stability and speed since the eMMC flash has the best performance, but it is a tad bit more complcated to setup. Here is the link
[ROM] Flashable eMMC dual boot ROMs (Froyo, Honeycomb, Eclair, CM7)

=X=

I'm wondering with CM7, do you have Flash. Or is that something that can only be gotten with the B&N update?

Thanks.

mariel9898 · 03-26-2011, 07:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sethman

I'm wondering with CM7, do you have Flash. Or is that something that can only be gotten with the B&N update?

Thanks.

Android 2.2 and above supports Flash to my knowledge. The B&N update is to 2.2.

=X= · 03-27-2011, 02:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sethman

I'm wondering with CM7, do you have Flash. Or is that something that can only be gotten with the B&N update?

Thanks.

Yes CM7 has flash support. CM7 has only one disadvantaged that I've seen. Up until recently it did not have hardware support for Video (DSP). Recently the new kernels support DSP, but there are still many issues with it.

=X=

Sethman · 03-27-2011, 07:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by =X=

Yes CM7 has flash support. CM7 has only one disadvantaged that I've seen. Up until recently it did not have hardware support for Video (DSP). Recently the new kernels support DSP, but there are still many issues with it.

=X=

I take it you can't play mp4 videos then? If that's the case I'll probably just wait for the B&N update and just reroot with the next autonooter that comes along.

Thanks.

Seth

=X= · 03-27-2011, 11:49 PM

I believe you can, with the newer kernel, I haven't watched an mp4, but i have watched an avi. However i would not consider CM7 video ready for everyday viewing. The sound is off and the video is choppy.

=X= · 03-30-2011, 12:59 PM

Video Hardware acceleration (DSP) has been added to CM7.

Wow there has been a fury of work on the CM7 nook build of late. In the last few days they have added toolbar changes to make CM7 work better on tablet devices and have fixed video hardware acceleration.

I'm currently running the latest CM7 with the overclock patch and the Tablet fix and everthing is running smooth as butter. I'm hoping the next thing they tackle is the BlueTooth range issue.

03-24-2011, 08:48 PM	#1
mariel9898 Connoisseur Posts: 76 Karma: 4538 Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Westchester County NY Device: Nook Color, Droid 2 Global	Question about Gingerbread So now that the B&N update and opening of their app store is near, I'm trying to decide what I want to do but need a few questions answered. I'm already rooted - I used autonooter 3.0. The main reason I chose it was because it kept all the B&N functionality. I feel like I have everything that I bought the NC for and so much more. I also liked that it was easy - all the other directions I found for rooting are too techie for me. If you root with anything else like Froyo or Gingerbread do you maintain all the B&N functionality? I'm pretty sure that if you root with CM7 you get rid of all the B&N stuff so that's not an option for me though it is really cool. What I really need to know is what is the easiest way to root the NC but still maintain all the B&N stuff on the device? I'm hoping a new version of autonooter will come out shortly after the B&N update, then I could backup, return to stock, root again and put all my apps back on. Is this even right? And I'm thinking why stay with 2.2 when 2.3 and Honeycomb are out (though I understand that HC is not "officially" out). Maybe I should use them if they are stable and keep the B&N stuff.

03-26-2011, 10:50 AM	#5
dschoemaker Reading Fool Posts: 30 Karma: 10 Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: St. Louis Device: Nook, 2x Nook Color, NST, IPad 1 & 3	Just to post a different perspective. I use the dual boot syste with 2.2 Froyo on my NC. If I hold down the N button it boots to stock, but if I let it boot normally it boots to Froyo. I really, really like booting to Android and use it 70% of the time. BUT three things. First, I'm not gifted like some of the folks here and I didn't want to take the risk of ruining my NC by screwing up the eMMC (I know its rare, but if it happens I have a $200 paperweight). Second, I read the Chicago Sun Times every morning. Really really aggrivates me that they don't have newspapers working in the App. Third, I didn't want any auto-updates to mess with my NC. I'll take the updates when I boot to standard NC and compare them with Froyo. I have a class 6 card, the wife a class 4... for some odd reason mine is much more stable, but the speed factor is negligible. Personally I think its hilarious that a bunch of hobbiests got WAY out in front of Barnes & Noble on this product. They are easily six months if not a year ahead of people who get paid to come up with this stuff. If I was B&N I'd be hunting them down and hiring them for giving the NC some real legs. Last edited by dschoemaker; 03-26-2011 at 10:52 AM.

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03-25-2011, 10:40 AM	#2
=X= Wizard Posts: 3,671 Karma: 12205348 Join Date: Mar 2008 Device: Galaxy S, Nook w/CM7	Hi Mariel, It looks like your confusion names and versions, here is a little clarification. Froyo is 2.2, Gingerbread is 2.3. The stock nook OS is 2.1(Eclair). Right now the only version of 2.2(Froyo) for the nook is nookie. And the only version of 2.3(Gingerbread) is CM7. The next B&N upgraded is based on Froyo(2.2) so you will be upgraded to 2.2 when it happens. The term "root" is a UNIX term that really means "Administrator". The act of rooting does not change anything on your device, as far as functionality. What rooting does is makes you and administrator so you CAN make any changes to your device. For instance like installing apps. Me personally I don't care for B&N core functionality. There was nothing about the stock nook OS that I liked, I even think the nook reading app in the market is better than what shipped with the default nook color. (But it lacks Magazines and Kids books) I compete wiped my device and installed CM7(Gingerbread) on my device and am very happy with the results. All the apps work on CM7 since it contains all the core Android features. In matter of fact tablet based apps also work like tablet apps on the nook. As far as how to re-root once the update goes through, you'll just have to wait until a developer updates the autonooter with the new changes. =X=

03-25-2011, 01:19 PM	#3
mariel9898 Connoisseur Posts: 76 Karma: 4538 Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Westchester County NY Device: Nook Color, Droid 2 Global	=X= I knew most of that, but I didn't know that CM7 was Gingerbread. Thanks for clearing that up. I think my best bet is to wait on the update and hope the autonooter developer comes out with something to root that. But here is what I'm a bit confused about. You say you wiped out your NC and put CM7 on it. Is there a way to put CM7 without completely wiping out the device, meaning have it be something like what I have now with Eclair? The B&N stock is not the best, but I don't want to get rid of magazines and kids books, and from what I've read there will be more interactive cookbooks which may be part of the stock and I'm interested in that.

03-25-2011, 01:59 PM	#4
=X= Wizard Posts: 3,671 Karma: 12205348 Join Date: Mar 2008 Device: Galaxy S, Nook w/CM7	Yes there are two ways where you can keep the existing stock functionality. 1) Is to use CWM and create a dual boot system where you can boot between Stock nook OS and (Froyo/CM7/HC) your choice. 2) Create a bootable (Foryo/CM7/HC) microSD card and run off of the SD card. The former option will give you the most stability and speed since the eMMC flash has the best performance, but it is a tad bit more complcated to setup. Here is the link [ROM] Flashable eMMC dual boot ROMs (Froyo, Honeycomb, Eclair, CM7) The latter is very easy to do, even easier than rooting the nook, but there is speed performance hit because microSD card are not as fast as eMMC. It is recommended you get a class 6 or class 10 card to improve performance. Nook Devs NookColor Booting from CM7 of an SD card is somewhat new, I'll refer you to XDA Developers (Nook Development) The last point is I first started with nookie Froyo on the SD card and found I never booted to the Stock OS. However I used a class 2 card and the speed performance was starting to get to me, the apps ran fine, it was just when they needed to read/write to the disk that took forever. Since I never used the stock OS, I decided to install CM7 on the internal memory. =X=

03-27-2011, 11:49 PM	#11
=X= Wizard Posts: 3,671 Karma: 12205348 Join Date: Mar 2008 Device: Galaxy S, Nook w/CM7	I believe you can, with the newer kernel, I haven't watched an mp4, but i have watched an avi. However i would not consider CM7 video ready for everyday viewing. The sound is off and the video is choppy.

03-30-2011, 12:59 PM	#12
=X= Wizard Posts: 3,671 Karma: 12205348 Join Date: Mar 2008 Device: Galaxy S, Nook w/CM7	Video Hardware acceleration (DSP) has been added to CM7. Wow there has been a fury of work on the CM7 nook build of late. In the last few days they have added toolbar changes to make CM7 work better on tablet devices and have fixed video hardware acceleration. I'm currently running the latest CM7 with the overclock patch and the Tablet fix and everthing is running smooth as butter. I'm hoping the next thing they tackle is the BlueTooth range issue.

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