Seriousness They are going to charge every man for not having a baby!

BeTePoK · 05-02-2010, 10:19 AM

Oh, what a lovely country I'm living in!

Few days ago our government passed a bill according to which every man of 25-40 yrs old will be charged of 5% of his salary every month for not having a baby!
If the man is unable to have kids due to medical issues - he won't be charged.
After getting the first baby - the fee will be decreased to 50%, after the second baby - the government will give all monies back to father!
That is completely nuts...

Thanks God, the bill still isn't accepted...

WT Sharpe · 05-02-2010, 10:47 AM

Many European countries are worried about their negative population growth rates, but fining people (and that's basically what you're describing) for not having children seems unfair. Perhaps a system of rewards rather than punishments would be more palatable as a solution.

beppe · 05-02-2010, 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by BeTePoK

Oh, what a lovely country I'm living in!

Few days ago our government passed a bill according to which every man of 25-40 yrs old will be charged of 5% of his salary every month for not having a baby!
If the man is unable to have kids due to medical issues - he won't be charged.
After getting the first baby - the fee will be decreased to 50%, after the second baby - the government will give all monies back to father!
That is completely nuts...

Thanks God, the bill still isn't accepted...

Quote:

Originally Posted by WT Sharpe

Many European countries are worried about their negative population growth rates, but fining people (and that's basically what you're describing) for not having children seems unfair. Perhaps a system of rewards rather than punishments would be more palatable as a solution.

Wait a moment you guys.
If I remember my science 101 correctly, it was the women having babies.
You know, flowers, bees ...

Kenny! Kenny! They are wrong on the net again. Hurry up! Chicken where are you?

BeTePoK · 05-02-2010, 11:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by beppe

Wait a moment you guys.
If I remember my science 101 correctly, it was the women having babies.
You know, flowers, bees ...

Kenny! Kenny! They are wrong on the net again. Hurry up! Chicken where are you?

Yes, you are right. Men are going to be charged for not making women pregnant.

BeTePoK · 05-02-2010, 11:10 AM

To be honest, our population decreased dramatically for the last 10 years. We've lost about half a million people, which is 5% of the total population. When I saw the numbers for the first time, I couldn't even believe! 5% drop in just 10 years! 200 years more - and our nation...oh Gog, we are not even a nation in full meaning of this word...just a little country between Russia and Poland...ok, we will just disappear...

Someone offered a reward system, but it was used before, and didn't help much, maybe just because of the amount been paid. Low standard of living, Chernobyl disaster affected too much (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chernobyl_disaster), poor economy and many other problems leave us not many chances. The average life interval is about 55 years, and our medicine freezed 20 years ago.

Saying other words, we are dying too quicky.

Sparrow · 05-02-2010, 11:20 AM

What if women just don't fancy you?

Not that it would apply to me; but I know this chap .....

BeTePoK · 05-02-2010, 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Sparrow

What if women just don't fancy you?

Now this is the biggest argument against the bill. A lot of women, not men! don't want to have baby (career, money, too many troubles etc).

Also (like my friend said),

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This bill, if passed, could find your country in violation of some international human rights rules, and thus find itself being condemned. China has suffered the condemnation of human rights organisations for some of the ways it has implemented population restrictions to one child per family, which has lead to baby girls getting "thrown away" because the culture requires a SON to inherit from the parents, and to support them in old age (daughters being passed to the husband's family's responsibility).

poohbear_nc · 05-02-2010, 11:23 AM

I remember reading a story years ago concerning India and its problem of overpopulation - they were trying to bribe men into having vasectomies. The most successful incentive seemed to be offering a transistor radio.

Japan too is experiencing negative population growth - many professional couples are delaying parenthood, or choosing not to procreate. As I remember, Japan's government is increasing immigration quotas as a response.

In your case, I wonder if anyone has crunched the numbers: the size of the fine versus what it would cost to give birth and raise a child? I think in most societies, 5% of a salary is far less than the cost of parenthood.

beppe · 05-02-2010, 11:54 AM

Mussolini did it in Italy. He wanted a big population for his "Empire". There were extra taxes for unmarried men, prizes and celebrations for fertile women.

It is still a subjects for jokes chez nous.

France gives substantial helps to big families.

In Quebec, families of my generation could be quite numerous. I have a friend that is the smallest of 20, all living. Twenty. One mother.

WT Sharpe · 05-02-2010, 11:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by beppe

Wait a moment you guys.
If I remember my science 101 correctly, it was the women having babies.
You know, flowers, bees ...

Kenny! Kenny! They are wrong on the net again. Hurry up! Chicken where are you?

Thanks beppe. I stand corrected.

What an educational place this is. You learn new things every day!

beppe · 05-02-2010, 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by WT Sharpe

Thanks beppe. I stand corrected.

What an educational place this is. You learn new things every day!

But it is you that spread benevolence and knowledge! Karma on your way

vivaldirules · 05-02-2010, 12:15 PM

Wait, hoomin women have the babies?? I've seen couples drive away and the next day there's this wet, noisy, stinky thing they're carrying but I had no idea it was all the woman's fault. No wonder they're causing all the earthquakes.

BeTePoK · 05-02-2010, 12:27 PM

As I said it before, men are going to be charged for not making women pregnant.

beppe · 05-02-2010, 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by vivaldirules

Wait, hoomin women have the babies?? I've seen couples drive away and the next day there's this wet, noisy, stinky thing they're carrying but I had no idea it was all the woman's fault. No wonder they're causing all the earthquakes.

Herr vivaldirules, bitte!, if you just stopped scratching behind the right ear with your left paw ...

wodin · 05-02-2010, 03:16 PM

Shooooo! We've been doing that in the US for years. Just look at our income tax regulations. We also get charged for not getting married!

05-02-2010, 10:19 AM	#1
BeTePoK Guru Posts: 740 Karma: 12616666 Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Republic of Belarus Device: Sony PRS-505	They are going to charge every man for not having a baby! Oh, what a lovely country I'm living in! Few days ago our government passed a bill according to which every man of 25-40 yrs old will be charged of 5% of his salary every month for not having a baby! If the man is unable to have kids due to medical issues - he won't be charged. After getting the first baby - the fee will be decreased to 50%, after the second baby - the government will give all monies back to father! That is completely nuts... Thanks God, the bill still isn't accepted...

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05-02-2010, 10:47 AM	#2
WT Sharpe Bah, humbug! Posts: 39,072 Karma: 157049943 Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Chesapeake, VA, USA Device: Kindle Oasis, iPad Pro, & a Samsung Galaxy S9.	Many European countries are worried about their negative population growth rates, but fining people (and that's basically what you're describing) for not having children seems unfair. Perhaps a system of rewards rather than punishments would be more palatable as a solution.

05-02-2010, 11:10 AM	#5
BeTePoK Guru Posts: 740 Karma: 12616666 Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Republic of Belarus Device: Sony PRS-505	To be honest, our population decreased dramatically for the last 10 years. We've lost about half a million people, which is 5% of the total population. When I saw the numbers for the first time, I couldn't even believe! 5% drop in just 10 years! 200 years more - and our nation...oh Gog, we are not even a nation in full meaning of this word...just a little country between Russia and Poland...ok, we will just disappear... Someone offered a reward system, but it was used before, and didn't help much, maybe just because of the amount been paid. Low standard of living, Chernobyl disaster affected too much (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chernobyl_disaster), poor economy and many other problems leave us not many chances. The average life interval is about 55 years, and our medicine freezed 20 years ago. Saying other words, we are dying too quicky.

05-02-2010, 11:20 AM	#6
Sparrow Wizard Posts: 4,395 Karma: 1358132 Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: UK Device: Palm TX, CyBook Gen3	What if women just don't fancy you? Not that it would apply to me; but I know this chap .....

05-02-2010, 11:23 AM	#8
poohbear_nc Bah! Humbug! Posts: 64,191 Karma: 135242149 Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Durham, NC Device: Every Kindle Ever Made & To Be Made!	I remember reading a story years ago concerning India and its problem of overpopulation - they were trying to bribe men into having vasectomies. The most successful incentive seemed to be offering a transistor radio. Japan too is experiencing negative population growth - many professional couples are delaying parenthood, or choosing not to procreate. As I remember, Japan's government is increasing immigration quotas as a response. In your case, I wonder if anyone has crunched the numbers: the size of the fine versus what it would cost to give birth and raise a child? I think in most societies, 5% of a salary is far less than the cost of parenthood.

05-02-2010, 11:54 AM	#9
beppe Grand Sorcerer Posts: 5,161 Karma: 81026524 Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Italy Device: Kindle3, Ipod4, IPad2	Mussolini did it in Italy. He wanted a big population for his "Empire". There were extra taxes for unmarried men, prizes and celebrations for fertile women. It is still a subjects for jokes chez nous. France gives substantial helps to big families. In Quebec, families of my generation could be quite numerous. I have a friend that is the smallest of 20, all living. Twenty. One mother.

05-02-2010, 12:15 PM	#12
vivaldirules When's Doughnut Day? Posts: 10,059 Karma: 13675475 Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Houston, TX, US Device: Sony PRS-505, iPad	Wait, hoomin women have the babies?? I've seen couples drive away and the next day there's this wet, noisy, stinky thing they're carrying but I had no idea it was all the woman's fault. No wonder they're causing all the earthquakes.

05-02-2010, 12:27 PM	#13
BeTePoK Guru Posts: 740 Karma: 12616666 Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Republic of Belarus Device: Sony PRS-505	As I said it before, men are going to be charged for not making women pregnant.

05-02-2010, 03:16 PM	#15
wodin Illiterate Posts: 10,279 Karma: 37848716 Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: The Sandwich Isles Device: Samsung Galaxy S10+, Microsoft Surface Pro	Shooooo! We've been doing that in the US for years. Just look at our income tax regulations. We also get charged for not getting married!