.epub format - Page 2

kovidgoyal · 06-30-2007, 09:40 PM

It's going to be at least a couple of years before that becomes anywhere close to reality, and since I'm going to have my sony reader for the next couple of years, I don't really care.

Robert Marquard · 07-01-2007, 01:29 AM

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Originally Posted by MishaS

This is exactly what I tried: convert a .lit file to .epub using instructions above. However DE does not open it.

I thought about the other conversion direction. .epub to .lit. Should be easy because litgen.dll is also using .opf.

Robert Marquard · 07-01-2007, 01:36 AM

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Originally Posted by kovidgoyal

I'm going to wait until the format is a little more mature (in terms or reader support). Writing a converter to it will be trivial, but the only way I'm going to be tempted to do that is if the reader performs better (in terms of hyphenation and page turn speed) than the LRF reader.

How about adding hyphenation to the HTML? The shy entity is documented to work with Mobipocket. Can you test the LRF reader? A test for the .lit reader would be nice also.
I do not think that algorithmic hyphenation will ever work.

MishaS · 07-01-2007, 07:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Robert Marquard

I thought about the other conversion direction. .epub to .lit. Should be easy because litgen.dll is also using .opf.

Well, the other direction does not really look appealing for me: you can properly read .lit files on Microsoft platforms, while my main platforms are Linux and Mac OS X (while the latter is not that actively used).

So if .lit files can easily be converted to .epub files, then it makes it possible to read those books on a greater number of computers/devices

On a related note, there are not so many sources for .epub files now, so having one more is not going to hurt, is it?

Robert Marquard · 07-01-2007, 11:04 AM

.lit to HTML is circumventing a copy protection so it can result in a DMCA takedown notice for mobileread.

wallcraft · 07-01-2007, 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Robert Marquard

.lit to HTML is circumventing a copy protection so it can result in a DMCA takedown notice for mobileread.

There are many .lit files without DRM, e.g. from Baen, so discussing .lit to .epub is not on its face discussing DRM circumvention.

Hadrien · 07-01-2007, 05:13 PM

I'm going to work on epub this summer: this is the future standard for xml e-books.

Are you sure that soft hyphens are supported though ? Hyphenated e-books based on an xml format would be MUCH better than LRF for example.

NatCh · 07-01-2007, 06:03 PM

I'm going to be snotty and point out that BBeB/LRF format is based on XML.

But, I also get the point you're actually making, Hadrien.

Hadrien · 07-01-2007, 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by NatCh

I'm going to be snotty and point out that BBeB/LRF format is based on XML.

But, I also get the point you're actually making, Hadrien.

My point is that an XML format with hyphenation support is better than one without. I know that BBeB/LRF is based on XML too...

JSWolf · 07-01-2007, 08:37 PM

What I want to know is in Digital Editions, can we specify the margins?

silkpag · 07-01-2007, 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by JSWolf

What I want to know is in Digital Editions, can we specify the margins?

Should be able to with the page template (.xpgt) file. Neither it nor the .ncx (digital talking book guide) files are required by the spec, but it seems both are made by Indesign.

/Still working on this.
//Thanks to MishaS for the Python script!

JSWolf · 07-01-2007, 11:10 PM

I'll wait till someone successfully created an ebook DE 1.0 can read and then ask how it was done.

NatCh · 07-01-2007, 11:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Hadrien

My point is that an XML format with hyphenation support is better than one without.

That's what I assumed you meant, Hadrien.

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Originally Posted by Hadrien

I know that BBeB/LRF is based on XML too...

I told you I was being snotty!

Actually, I figured it was worth mentioning for the new folks who might not have known.

kovidgoyal · 07-01-2007, 11:47 PM

Yeah but BBeB has no ability to define semantic information. It's a total waste of the power of XML. Not that HTML is much better.

NatCh · 07-01-2007, 11:58 PM

Yeah, well, I'll let y'all work that out amongst yourselves -- my opinions on the matter are too ignorant to be worth typing out or reading.

(I don't work with them, so all I understand about them is that XML and HTML are related somehow, and that's about it)

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06-30-2007, 09:40 PM	#16
kovidgoyal creator of calibre Posts: 45,611 Karma: 28549044 Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Mumbai, India Device: Various	It's going to be at least a couple of years before that becomes anywhere close to reality, and since I'm going to have my sony reader for the next couple of years, I don't really care.

07-01-2007, 11:04 AM	#20
Robert Marquard Delphi-Guy Posts: 285 Karma: 1151 Join Date: May 2006 Location: Berlin, Germany Device: iLiad, Palm T3	.lit to HTML is circumventing a copy protection so it can result in a DMCA takedown notice for mobileread.

07-01-2007, 05:13 PM	#22
Hadrien Feedbooks.com Co-Founder Posts: 2,263 Karma: 145123 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Paris, France Device: Sony PRS-t-1/350/300/500/505/600/700, Nexus S, iPad	I'm going to work on epub this summer: this is the future standard for xml e-books. Are you sure that soft hyphens are supported though ? Hyphenated e-books based on an xml format would be MUCH better than LRF for example.

07-01-2007, 06:03 PM	#23
NatCh Gizmologist Posts: 11,615 Karma: 929550 Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Republic of Texas Embassy at Jackson, TN Device: Pocketbook Touch HD3	I'm going to be snotty and point out that BBeB/LRF format is based on XML. But, I also get the point you're actually making, Hadrien.

07-01-2007, 08:37 PM	#25
JSWolf Resident Curmudgeon Posts: 80,803 Karma: 150249619 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Roslindale, Massachusetts Device: Kobo Libra 2, Kobo Aura H2O, PRS-650, PRS-T1, nook STR, PW3	What I want to know is in Digital Editions, can we specify the margins?

07-01-2007, 11:10 PM	#27
JSWolf Resident Curmudgeon Posts: 80,803 Karma: 150249619 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Roslindale, Massachusetts Device: Kobo Libra 2, Kobo Aura H2O, PRS-650, PRS-T1, nook STR, PW3	I'll wait till someone successfully created an ebook DE 1.0 can read and then ask how it was done.

07-01-2007, 11:47 PM	#29
kovidgoyal creator of calibre Posts: 45,611 Karma: 28549044 Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Mumbai, India Device: Various	Yeah but BBeB has no ability to define semantic information. It's a total waste of the power of XML. Not that HTML is much better.

07-01-2007, 11:58 PM	#30
NatCh Gizmologist Posts: 11,615 Karma: 929550 Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Republic of Texas Embassy at Jackson, TN Device: Pocketbook Touch HD3	Yeah, well, I'll let y'all work that out amongst yourselves -- my opinions on the matter are too ignorant to be worth typing out or reading. (I don't work with them, so all I understand about them is that XML and HTML are related somehow, and that's about it)