EFF's guide to e-book buying & privacy - Page 3

omk3 · 12-22-2009, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by pilotbob

So I assume you don't have a cell phone... because your provider "can" track everywhere you go and record all your conversations and know what software you run on it.

I assume you don't use credit cards... because the banks do know every transaction you make which means what the store is, how much, and in some cases with on line stuff each item possible. They "can" store all this info... actually they do.

I assume you don't use a search engine online... because they "can" track and store every search you make. you don't use Web based email right they "can" and "do" have access to all your email?

Actually, if anyone thinks their email is private they don't know much about email. You may login to google using https and a user name and password... but did you know that 100% of email is transported over the Internet in clear plain text? Yep... if you want private email between you and the sender you better be encrypting it with PGP or similar.

I assume you don't use the Internet. Because your ISP "can" (and possible do) track every web site you visit, every file you download, how long you spend on your PC, etc.

This discussion reminds me of a video I just saw today... about a new Google product called The Google Toilet.

BOb

Yes to all, Bob, I use them and I know they're not private at all. I am careful what I do with them though. I like to have a bit of privacy whenever I can afford it, and missing out on the wireless on my ebook reader is a really small price to pay (for me). No so with the email for example. And as I said, I like my ebooks liberated, and sometimes even pirated. I don't know if that can be checked remotely, or if anyone would want to check it remotely, but it's just a tiny bit of peace of mind I like to have, to know they can't. Never said that's what others should do too of course.
Unfortunately I get a "video not available" for the youtube link...

pilotbob · 12-22-2009, 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by omk3

Unfortunately I get a "video not available" for the youtube link...

Hmm... it was embedded in the youtube tag not a link.

Here is the link. It's pretty funny.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hrontojPWEE

BOb

omk3 · 12-22-2009, 04:17 PM

Still not available...Neither the link nor the embedded video...
Are there regional restrictions on youtube videos too?

pilotbob · 12-22-2009, 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by omk3

Still not available...Neither the link nor the embedded video...
Are there regional restrictions on youtube videos too?

I have no idea. Just go to youtube and search on google toilet it is the first hit.

BOb

kennyc · 12-22-2009, 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by pilotbob

Hmm... it was embedded in the youtube tag not a link.

Here is the link. It's pretty funny.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hrontojPWEE

BOb

I sent the link to a friend in Ireland and it's not available there...

Geographic restrictions I think.

omk3 · 12-22-2009, 04:24 PM

The mystery deepens! I only get videos about actual toilets, flushing techniques and other fascinating stuff...
Is it me or is it the same for everyone in the UK I wonder?

pilotbob · 12-22-2009, 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by kennyc

I sent the link to a friend in Ireland and it's not available there...

That's just ridiculous. So much for "The World is Flat"....

BOb

DawnFalcon · 12-22-2009, 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by rcuadro

No kidding!?!?
Dang

Yea. To some degree it's understandable, but Amazon take it to an extreme.

grimo1re · 12-22-2009, 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by kjk

Not one of the EFF's best efforts-must be a one of those 'get this out by the holidays' things.

Agreed. Perhaps we should give them a hand

kjk · 12-22-2009, 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by grimo1re

Agreed. Perhaps we should give them a hand

I'm game:

Krystian Galaj · 12-22-2009, 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by kennyc

I sent the link to a friend in Ireland and it's not available there...

Geographic restrictions I think.

Yes, there are many videos I can't see on youtube due to that - however, they always tell me it's not available in my country.

And I can see that one in Poland, even though google.pl exists.

grimo1re · 12-22-2009, 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by kjk

I'm game:

He he he, that's right.

Kali Yuga · 12-22-2009, 07:27 PM

FYI, Amazon does NOT track (or sync) items that you did not purchase through their store. Anything you purchase via credit card is eminently trackable anyway, so it seems to me that with pretty much any ebook device, you are losing a small portion of your privacy.

That said, I don't think the EFF piece is really that far off. They just ought to update it for the Sony wireless, and acknowledge that any ebook store is subject to the same legal requirements as any other. And let's face it, if you run afoul of the law and used a credit card to buy your electronic copy of The Anarchist's Cookbook, I doubt the prosecutor is going to care that your ebook device doesn't sync to a central server somewhere.

But it does seem to me that if you really want to keep your book selections truly private, you need to buy paper books in cash while wearing a disguise, and destroy your books immediately after reading.

DawnFalcon · 12-22-2009, 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by kjk

I'm game:

TPZ.

Mm-hum.

igorsk · 12-22-2009, 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Kali Yuga

FYI, Amazon does NOT track (or sync) items that you did not purchase through their store. Anything you purchase via credit card is eminently trackable anyway, so it seems to me that with pretty much any ebook device, you are losing a small portion of your privacy.

We don't know if they track it or not, but they do have such ability.

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12-22-2009, 04:17 PM	#33
omk3 Wizard Posts: 1,454 Karma: 37243 Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Europe Device: pocketbook 360, kindle 4	Still not available...Neither the link nor the embedded video... Are there regional restrictions on youtube videos too?

12-22-2009, 04:24 PM	#36
omk3 Wizard Posts: 1,454 Karma: 37243 Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Europe Device: pocketbook 360, kindle 4	The mystery deepens! I only get videos about actual toilets, flushing techniques and other fascinating stuff... Is it me or is it the same for everyone in the UK I wonder?

12-22-2009, 07:27 PM	#43
Kali Yuga Professional Contrarian Posts: 2,045 Karma: 3289631 Join Date: Mar 2009 Device: Kindle 4 No Touchie	FYI, Amazon does NOT track (or sync) items that you did not purchase through their store. Anything you purchase via credit card is eminently trackable anyway, so it seems to me that with pretty much any ebook device, you are losing a small portion of your privacy. That said, I don't think the EFF piece is really that far off. They just ought to update it for the Sony wireless, and acknowledge that any ebook store is subject to the same legal requirements as any other. And let's face it, if you run afoul of the law and used a credit card to buy your electronic copy of The Anarchist's Cookbook, I doubt the prosecutor is going to care that your ebook device doesn't sync to a central server somewhere. But it does seem to me that if you really want to keep your book selections truly private, you need to buy paper books in cash while wearing a disguise, and destroy your books immediately after reading.