future-proof Fictionwise multiformat choice ? - Page 7

ahi · 10-27-2009, 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by bkilian

Heh, Nice. I bet that's what the monks used to say about the damned commoners who were quite happy to read their non-illuminated and horribly typeset gutenberg bibles instead of the scribed versions that took ten years to complete.

Too stupid to answer. The rest I have addressed elsewhere ad nauseam.

- Ahi

kennyc · 10-27-2009, 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by ahi

Too stupid to answer. The rest I have addressed elsewhere ad nauseam.

- Ahi

Not too stupid. Be nice. He has a point and it is directly relevant to your drum beating. Directly Relevant.

bkilian · 10-27-2009, 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by ahi

Too stupid to answer. The rest I have addressed elsewhere ad nauseam.

- Ahi

Aah, I see now. You're an ass. Nevermind then, I'll leave you to your "intellectually superior" one-liner comments. Fundamentalism is the same no matter what your specific fetish, it always involves an unwillingness to see opposing viewpoints and a religious conviction of your absolute correctness in everything. I just never thought I'd see a typographical fundamentalist. Neat.

When you'd like to come down off your high horse and give me some examples of things you believe ePub cannot do, I'll be happy to listen.

ahi · 10-28-2009, 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by bkilian

Aah, I see now. You're an ass. Nevermind then, I'll leave you to your "intellectually superior" one-liner comments. Fundamentalism is the same no matter what your specific fetish, it always involves an unwillingness to see opposing viewpoints and a religious conviction of your absolute correctness in everything. I just never thought I'd see a typographical fundamentalist. Neat.

When you'd like to come down off your high horse and give me some examples of things you believe ePub cannot do, I'll be happy to listen.

You are upset because I called your excessively senseless analogy "stupid"?

How amusing.

If you care to become informed enough on the topic not to make a fool of yourself, there is plenty to read here both for and against my position:

https://www.mobileread.com/forums/sho...782#post462782

- Ahi

HarryT · 10-28-2009, 09:13 AM

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Impoliteness is not acceptable.

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Superlucky · 10-28-2009, 01:11 PM

Any argument about epub's supposed lack of utility can be settled by a hyperlinked copy of Spinoza's Ethics (made by WT Sharpe).

acidzebra · 10-28-2009, 01:13 PM

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Any argument about epub's supposed lack of utility can be settled by a hyperlinked copy of Spinoza's Ethics (made by WT Sharpe).

It does hyperlinks? Wow, that's amazing!

Superlucky · 10-28-2009, 01:20 PM

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It does hyperlinks? Wow, that's amazing!

hyperlinks > kerning

acidzebra · 10-28-2009, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Superlucky

hyperlinks > kerning

Ergo hyperlinks + kerning > hyperlinks.

kennyc · 10-28-2009, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Superlucky

Any argument about epub's supposed lack of utility can be settled by a hyperlinked copy of Spinoza's Ethics (made by WT Sharpe).

Very cool. I was just playing around with it using the Calibre viewer. Will try it on my Sony later...

Thanks for the link!

Superlucky · 10-28-2009, 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by acidzebra

Ergo hyperlinks + kerning > hyperlinks.

Well done.

Superlucky · 10-28-2009, 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by kennyc

Will try it on my Sony later...

You probably know this, but I didn't so I'll tell you anyway:

The "<" button on the circle (the one with the "enter" button in the middle) takes you back to the page you were on before you took the link.

Also, WT Sharpe made a prc version as well.

kennyc · 10-28-2009, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Superlucky

You probably know this, but I didn't so I'll tell you anyway:

The "<" button on the circle (the one with the "enter" button in the middle) takes you back to the page you were on before you took the link.

Also, WT Sharpe made a prc version as well.

Yep, just tried it and it works beautifully!! (wait was that an aesthetic characterization

)

Thanks again.

bkilian · 10-28-2009, 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by ahi

You are upset because I called your excessively senseless analogy "stupid"?

How amusing.

If you care to become informed enough on the topic not to make a fool of yourself, there is plenty to read here both for and against my position:

https://www.mobileread.com/forums/sho...782#post462782

- Ahi

Excellent! Thanks. Was that so hard? I agree with you that well done PDFs can be beautiful, although I rarely see them since I refuse to install Adobe software on my machine. I still believe that with a sufficiently advanced renderer, a well-designed ePub or other html based format can look good enough that 99% of people wouldn't care. I also agree that current renderers aren't nearly good enough for that yet, but I'm fairly certain they will be in the future.

Most of the problems mentioned in the thread you pointed me at are not format problems as much as they are presentation problems. We currently cannot solve them in an automated fashion, but it's naive to think that it will remain that way. Just in the last ten years there have been huge advances in rendering software; Ligatures, kerning and hyphenation have come a long way to the point where it takes an expert to make improvements now. When it gets to the point that the experts are fixing maybe 5 or 6 things in an entire book, I'll be happy to not bother them at all.

I have to admit though, I proofread a lot of books, and I generally prefer my ebook versions to the paper versions for readability. At least my ebook versions never split a word over two pages.

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