Dual firmware announcement - Page 16

ProfJulie · 09-13-2009, 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by emaxt6

Ten.
One to hold the mouse firmly and the others to move the table.

I like this answer the most of all! I love the picture it paints in my mind.

I just figured Bookeen had a million monkeys working on the code....but maybe they haven't finished typing all of Shakespeare's works yet...

EowynCarter · 09-14-2009, 03:39 AM

I guess most of you never typed a line of program ?
Oh, yeah, i forget, programing is just snapping your finger and your done...

Seventh Son · 09-14-2009, 04:00 AM

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Originally Posted by EowynCarter

I guess most of you never typed a line of program ?
Oh, yeah, i forget, programing is just snapping your finger and your done...

I do daily. And my department won't make false promises, especially regarding dates of release ("soon", huh?), when there are any uncertainties. Saying it "when it's done" would have been sufficient.

EowynCarter · 09-14-2009, 04:15 AM

Would it ?
Nah, peaple would still be whining. "Hey, we need an exact release date".

K-Thom · 09-14-2009, 05:08 AM

"Next Monday" will do me fine.

KLausPetersen · 09-14-2009, 06:26 AM

Here it is ...

Playlist for a Gen3 Owner

"I Don’t Like Mondays" - The Boomtown Rats
"Monday, Monday" - The Mamas & The Papas
"Manic Monday" - The Bangles
"Permanent Monday" - Jordin Sparks
"Blue Monday" - New Order or Fats Domino
"Monday Morning" - Fleetwood Mac
"Except for Monday" - Lori Morgan
"Monday, Monday, Monday" - Tegan and Sara
"Come Monday" - Jimmy Buffet or KT Olsin
"Stormy Monday" - The Allman Bros.
"New Moon on Monday" - Duran Duran
"Rainy Days and Mondays" - The Carpenters
"Monday" - Wilco
"Monday Morning Church" - Alan Jackson
"It Sure is Monday" - Mark Chesnutt

The next two are not about monday but quite good:
"Seven Days" - Craig David
"Friday I'm In Love" - The Cure

(I mixed some Lists I found on the Web)

Seventh Son · 09-14-2009, 06:32 AM

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Originally Posted by KLausPetersen

Playlist for a Gen3 Owner

This was epic!

tompe · 09-14-2009, 07:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EowynCarter

I guess most of you never typed a line of program ?
Oh, yeah, i forget, programing is just snapping your finger and your done...

Well, you have regression tests so adding one new functionality like folders and release a firmware is not so hard. When things take long time to do it is usually because you are doing them in the wrong way. Inexperienced programmers usually write pretty bad code and that are hard to reuse and extend.

emaxt6 · 09-14-2009, 07:43 AM

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Originally Posted by ProfJulie

I think I've finally figured out Bookeen's calendar....they are on the same calendar as the Lord Almighty!
So the question is not next Monday of which week/month/year, but next Monday of which millennium?

You enlightened me.
Maybe they are just trying new software development methodologies, perhaps instead of OOP they are using GOP ( God oriented programming ).

This explain why they use vague biblical terms like "soon", "later" to describe standard project management deadlines.

EowynCarter · 09-14-2009, 07:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tompe

Well, you have regression tests so adding one new functionality like folders and release a firmware is not so hard. When things take long time to do it is usually because you are doing them in the wrong way.

Or, you bumped into a problem that's somehow hard to solve for some reason, or you're doing something else in addition of programing.
I don't have the pretension to judge bookeen's work when i don't know what's going on there at all.

I don't know what's going on at bookeen, but i don't think they are delaying the firmware just because it's fun...

emaxt6 · 09-14-2009, 08:00 AM

We aren't discussing if delaying a firmware is fun or not. (but we are trying to make fun of it because maybe humor is nice to play with).

Seriously, the message that go to customer is plain simple:
- lack of resources
- lack of seriousness in standard project management
- lack of communication and abuse of false promises
- heavy dependency upon third party software (and this maybe explain the delay when a bug is spotted)

And take in account that we are not speaking here of a software with the complexity of ie. a full office suite.
They are chiefly reusing existing code.

Krystian Galaj · 09-14-2009, 08:22 AM

When I worked in game development, every month we had to take a week off our schedule to make a demo of the progress, because people paying money had to "see" progress, not just new lines of code. The demo was then usually thrown away, but a week was lost. Perhaps Bookeen prefers to keep silent and deliver quicker to being responsive and delivering twice as slow - especially if programmers there do all other kinds of work, and there are few of them.
I wish they would deliver at last, though...

gerraldo · 09-14-2009, 08:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EowynCarter

Would it ?
Nah, peaple would still be whining. "Hey, we need an exact release date".

You're absolutely right on that! BTW: I've worked for over 10 years in the computer games industry as a senior/leading game designer and normally you have to keep a very tight schedule (by all means... and that is "crunch time" = working 24/7, sleeping at the office). Somehow I can't imagine Bookeens programmer(s) "crunching"...

Quote:

Originally Posted by EowynCarter

Or, you bumped into a problem that's somehow hard to solve for some reason, or you're doing something else in addition of programing.
I don't have the pretension to judge bookeen's work when i don't know what's going on there at all.

I don't know what's going on at bookeen, but i don't think they are delaying the firmware just because it's fun...

Yes, they don't do it because it's fun, but from what we've heared (and that's not much), it seems to be bad planning and/or some wrong decisions...

"Feature requests" and "change management" are things that are mostly overlooked in projects or handled badly (if at all...). There is a time in the project, where you can't add any new features or change something - you just have to finish the d*mn thing! (OK, you can branch off with part of the team to the new version with said features/changes, but the rest has to follow the plan.)

EowynCarter · 09-14-2009, 08:53 AM

Quote:

You're absolutely right on that! BTW: I've worked for over 10 years in the computer games industry as a senior/leading game designer and normally you have to keep a very tight schedule (by all means... and that is "crunch time" = working 24/7, sleeping at the office). Somehow I can't imagine Bookeens programmer(s) "crunching"...

If that the case you have to
a ) Hire more people
or
b ) Make sure your schedule is more realist.

Seventh Son · 09-14-2009, 09:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EowynCarter

If that the case you have to
a ) Hire more people

Throwing more resources to solve a problem only increases it. That's PM 101.

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EowynCarter Wizard Posts: 4,338 Karma: 4000000 Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Paris Device: Cybooks; Sony PRS-T1	I guess most of you never typed a line of program ? Oh, yeah, i forget, programing is just snapping your finger and your done...

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EowynCarter Wizard Posts: 4,338 Karma: 4000000 Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Paris Device: Cybooks; Sony PRS-T1	Would it ? Nah, peaple would still be whining. "Hey, we need an exact release date".

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K-Thom The one and only Posts: 3,302 Karma: 535819 Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Berlin, Germany Device: yup!	"Next Monday" will do me fine.

09-14-2009, 06:26 AM	#231
KLausPetersen Connoisseur Posts: 51 Karma: 514 Join Date: Mar 2008 Device: Bookeen Cybook	Here it is ... Playlist for a Gen3 Owner "I Don’t Like Mondays" - The Boomtown Rats "Monday, Monday" - The Mamas & The Papas "Manic Monday" - The Bangles "Permanent Monday" - Jordin Sparks "Blue Monday" - New Order or Fats Domino "Monday Morning" - Fleetwood Mac "Except for Monday" - Lori Morgan "Monday, Monday, Monday" - Tegan and Sara "Come Monday" - Jimmy Buffet or KT Olsin "Stormy Monday" - The Allman Bros. "New Moon on Monday" - Duran Duran "Rainy Days and Mondays" - The Carpenters "Monday" - Wilco "Monday Morning Church" - Alan Jackson "It Sure is Monday" - Mark Chesnutt The next two are not about monday but quite good: "Seven Days" - Craig David "Friday I'm In Love" - The Cure (I mixed some Lists I found on the Web)

09-14-2009, 08:00 AM	#236
emaxt6 Member Posts: 18 Karma: 12 Join Date: Sep 2009 Device: gen3	We aren't discussing if delaying a firmware is fun or not. (but we are trying to make fun of it because maybe humor is nice to play with). Seriously, the message that go to customer is plain simple: - lack of resources - lack of seriousness in standard project management - lack of communication and abuse of false promises - heavy dependency upon third party software (and this maybe explain the delay when a bug is spotted) And take in account that we are not speaking here of a software with the complexity of ie. a full office suite. They are chiefly reusing existing code.

09-14-2009, 08:22 AM	#237
Krystian Galaj Guru Posts: 820 Karma: 11012 Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Warsaw, Poland Device: Bookeen Cybook	When I worked in game development, every month we had to take a week off our schedule to make a demo of the progress, because people paying money had to "see" progress, not just new lines of code. The demo was then usually thrown away, but a week was lost. Perhaps Bookeen prefers to keep silent and deliver quicker to being responsive and delivering twice as slow - especially if programmers there do all other kinds of work, and there are few of them. I wish they would deliver at last, though...