|  06-02-2009, 11:40 AM | #76 | |
| Grand Sorcerer            Posts: 5,187 Karma: 25133758 Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: SF Bay Area, California, USA Device: Pocketbook Touch HD3 (Past: Kobo Mini, PEZ, PRS-505, Clié) | Quote: 
 *Physical and other. Background checks, take off your shoes, and if the security guard doesn't like your looks, have a cavity search as well. ** LA to New York is not a few hours of drive time. LA to Oakland, or SF to Vegas, is. Why isn't he railing against those elitists and their obsessed-with-speed lifestyles? I'm not up to contacting him, or I'd point out that my house has bookshelves crammed with books, a few boxes of books, and twelve more boxes in a storage locker... having an ebook reader means less clutter and waste. (Also, I sometimes want to read something that I don't want the public to know about. "Make friends by reading Harry Potter in public!" is completely countered by "freak out people by reading Superman/Batman slash zines.") | |
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|  06-02-2009, 11:44 AM | #77 | |
| Suave Swabby, Savvy?            Posts: 1,602 Karma: 520350 Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Harrison, ARrrr, USA - southern Ozark mountains Device: Slate Blue PEZ (Astak Pocket Pro), CVSCX-9300 Quad-band watch phone | Quote: 
 If you want to do the same with paper books, it'll cost a fortune. | |
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|  06-02-2009, 11:45 AM | #78 | |
| Provocateur            Posts: 1,859 Karma: 505847 Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Columbus, OH Device: Kindle Touch, Kindle 2, Kindle DX, iPhone 3GS | Quote: 
 But the point is, Sherman's attitudes are so self-serving. He worries about the negatives of ebooks while simultaneously ignoring the negatives of his own physical books. And he ignores the positives as well, as many have pointed out. One of my former mentors helped bring low-cost computers and modem connections into the Native American communities in Colorado that promoted the preservation of their artwork and culture in computer graphics. His work was helpful, not harmful, to the very people Sherman claims to care about. All technology is a double-edged sword; that's the price of the eating the apple from the Tree of Knowledge. | |
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|  06-02-2009, 11:59 AM | #79 | 
| Opinionated [but right]           Posts: 281 Karma: 1412 Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: UK Device: Cybook Gen3, PRS 505, Kindle Int, Oasis, Paperwhite, Scribe | 
			
			Hmmm... A man I don't know, have never heard of and will never meet, doesn't like the way I spend my money. I may not sleep tonight. | 
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|  06-02-2009, 12:06 PM | #80 | |
| Holy S**T!!!            Posts: 5,213 Karma: 108401 Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: San Diego, California!! Device: Kindle and iPad | Quote: 
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|  06-02-2009, 12:24 PM | #81 | 
| Grand Sorcerer            Posts: 8,478 Karma: 5171130 Join Date: Jan 2006 Device: none | 
			
			To Sherm: You wanna hit me for reading on my PDA?  Come and get it, brudda.  Then you can find out how elitist they are in the emergency room...   | 
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|  06-02-2009, 12:42 PM | #82 | 
| Connoisseur            Posts: 92 Karma: 15000 Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Toronto, Canada Device: Sony PRS-505 | 
			
			I, too, disagree with the sentiment that having an eBook reader is being elitist.  There are just so many other things that are equally "expendable", "expensive", and "unnecessary" but which would never be considered to put people into that category: MP3 players, computers, cell phones, television sets, cars, BBQs, espresso machines, DVD players, etc.  Nobody needs to have any of those things in order to live.  And some are a lot more expensive.  But to own one would certainly not be to put yourself into an elitist grouping...
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|  06-02-2009, 12:44 PM | #83 | 
| Grand Sorcerer            Posts: 19,832 Karma: 11844413 Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Tampa, FL USA Device: Kindle Touch | 
			
			I agree with DG here. People decide how they want to spend their money. Personally I don't see a reason to spend $50,000 on a BMW when my Camry gets me where I want to be perfectly well for less than half the price. Do I think BMW drivers are elitest? No.. (Unless they park in two spots). I do know that I can probably read any book I want if I use the library more often. But, I prefer to have a Kindle and buy ebooks. That is my choice. Talk about biting the hand that feeds you. But, you've to to admit, there is no such thing as bad publicity. Evidenced by this thread. BOb | 
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|  06-02-2009, 12:48 PM | #84 | 
| Wizard            Posts: 1,531 Karma: 8059866 Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Canada Device: Kobo H2O / Aura HD / Glo / iPad3 | 
			
			I had the same experience on an airplane.  I was sitting there trying to check my stocks in my newspaper.  The lady beside me started making annoyed sounds every time I changed the page like I was invading her space and she refused to move over in her seat to allow me to comfortably read my paper.  I asked for another first class seat but I was told that none were available.  I finally set down my newspaper to giver her a dirty look and the ignorant fool was reading one of those elitist electronic reading devices.  I tell you it totally spoiled the taste of my champagne.
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|  06-02-2009, 12:50 PM | #85 | 
| Member  Posts: 13 Karma: 10 Join Date: Nov 2008 Device: none | 
			
			He has a point in it.And I want to drop a line to Amazon, F... U AMAZON.
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|  06-02-2009, 01:34 PM | #86 | 
| Enjoying the show....            Posts: 14,270 Karma: 10462843 Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Arizona Device: A K1, Kindle Paperwhite, an Ipod, IPad2, Iphone, an Ipad Mini & macAir | 
				
				Oh MY GOSH!!
			 
			
			Did anyone catch it?? Desertgrandma, Ricky Maveety and Steve Jordan all said basically the same thing..........(my post is towards the beginning) I think the world will end soon......   | 
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|  06-02-2009, 01:40 PM | #87 | 
| Grand Sorcerer            Posts: 7,007 Karma: 27060353 Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: USA Device: iPhone 15PM, Kindle Scribe, iPad mini 6, PocketBook InkPad Color 3 | 
			
			Sherman Alexie responds (Amazon Kindle discussion): http://www.amazon.com/tag/kindle/for...ype=tagsDetail If any of you have read his books or seen the movie, "Smoke Signals" (he wrote the screenplay), you'll know that he has a playfully provocative style. He's much less interested in being rigorously 'correct' than in getting people to look at their stuff, whatever it might be. In the tradition of clowns, or perhaps more appropriately here, of mythic Coyote of Native American lore. In this case, getting us to Question Technology. We can question how artfully he has succeeded here, and though I don't find much to agree with him about concerning the evils of digital publishing, and he's not one of my favorite writers, I think it is great what he's doing, and yes - he's worth a read. BTW his Kindle titles are a few of his poetry books, he claims he's sold about 7 copies (I sense he is exaggerating for comic effect, but Kindle formats are not very poetry-friendly - reflowable text tends to mess it up - and poetry does not often attain best seller status these days..). I suggest we all visit his other Amazon titles and click the 'I want to read this on the Kindle' button. In the spirit of playfulness of course. | 
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|  06-02-2009, 01:43 PM | #88 | |
| Enjoying the show....            Posts: 14,270 Karma: 10462843 Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Arizona Device: A K1, Kindle Paperwhite, an Ipod, IPad2, Iphone, an Ipad Mini & macAir | Quote: 
 "Playfully Provacative" We must have different dictionarys. I call what he said obnoxious crap. | |
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|  06-02-2009, 02:03 PM | #89 | |
| Beepbeep n beebeep, yeah!            Posts: 11,726 Karma: 8255450 Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: La Crosse, Wisconsin, aka America's IceBox Device: iThingie, KmkII, I miss Zelda! | Quote: 
  I read his post over on Amazon. I would recommend everyone to do the same. He fears that the switch from paper books to electronic readers will leave behind those, like himself, who are growing up in poverty and unable to afford the readers. He fears Jeff Bezos' desire to "change the way people read." I feel that his concerns are much better presented in that post. He also thanks all of us for giving him something to laugh at in the reactio to his thoughts. | |
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|  06-02-2009, 02:35 PM | #90 | 
| Evangelist            Posts: 478 Karma: 451808 Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: California, USA Device: my two eyes, KLiiK, Sony PRS-700 |  Are you "holier than thou"? 
			
			Sometimes this can be applied to many different views on the internet: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oWxUM...eature=related e.g., (not my views, necessarily, just some views I've heard as I surf the web) * Digital readers are the way forward! * To hell with paper, such environmentally, unfriendly polluting primitive technologies! * I'm gonna punch your face for that digital reader * Those teachers/professors who don't allow citing internet sources are elitist! * To hell with the library! We don't need it. Everything is already on the internet. I say cut their funding and leave them closed. * etc., etc., etc.  And for another rendition: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w6QEUyjG1Z0 Last edited by thibaulthalpern; 06-02-2009 at 02:40 PM. | 
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