over 100 books of my kindle library just vaporized

[DJUNGELSKOG]

Originally Posted by Sarmat89

I read them, you know.

Please stay clear of public libraries, thank you!

[Yapyap]

Weirdly, I have a lot of books at home that are older than I am (and I’m past the half a century mark myself), sometimes by several decades… somehow they haven’t perished so far.

And some of those have even been read multiple times, including by me!

[JSWolf]

@Sarmat89, Amazon's license says you are not allowed to make a copy of your eBooks. That means you cannot read them because to read them means you've made a copy. Do you agree with this? DRM or not, it's still a copy.

Also, the eBooks Amazon has are all copies. So Amazon is in violation of their own do not copy.

[kandwo]

The user has the title "Fanatic" right under their username, which seems quite apt under the circumstances. Not even the "Bibliophagist" here has had books vanish on them after use.

Personally, I believe that we are witnessing a form of trolling aiming to make us set sail on the seven seas, as it were.

I already find it hard to justify buying ebooks, what with the license shenanigans and other limitations and being treated like a criminal once I do. And sometimes it's straight out impossible to buy a book. I recently tried to buy a German graded reader that was being offered on several platforms, all of which were geolocked and refused to sell outside of a certain country. Not even contacting the author directly helped in that case.

It's inconceivable to me that someone would defend blatant anti-consumerism by multibillion dollar companies with such vigour. So either it's a form of modern art or entertainment or some duplicitous recruiting scheme by the pirates.

[Sirtel]

Originally Posted by kandwo

It's inconceivable to me that someone would defend blatant anti-consumerism by multibillion dollar companies with such vigour. So either it's a form of modern art or entertainment or some duplicitous recruiting scheme by the pirates.

Or just plain greed. Maybe Sarmat89 is an author and wants people to buy their ebook many times over.

[Sarmat89]

Originally Posted by DNSB

The point is that the end user has purchased a license and that license remains valid even if the vendor no longer has their license required to sell a license to another end user.

Only the publisher can issue such licenses. When you buy a e-book, you are sub-licensed by the store platform to operate on a particular file(s). Such license becomes void when publisher stops licensing the store. Therefore, downloading, distributing, displaying, or otherwise operating on those particular files provided by the store becomes illegal.

[Sirtel]

Originally Posted by Sarmat89

Only the publisher can issue such licenses. When you buy a e-book, you are sub-licensed by the store platform to operate on a particular file(s). Such license becomes void when publisher stops licensing the store. Therefore, downloading, distributing, displaying, or otherwise operating on those particular files provided by the store becomes illegal.

And yet Amazon continues to make books with defunct publishers available to the customers who bought them. Maybe you should sue Amazon?

Moreover, how should a customer know whether the store still has the license to sell or not? You won't get a notification about it, you know. And in most cases you can still download your book from the store account. So how do you know?

[jhowell]

Originally Posted by Sarmat89

Such license becomes void when publisher stops licensing the store.

What happens is subject to the contract between the publisher and the e-book seller. For example when someone makes a book available on Kindle through KDP they must agree to terms and conditions that include:

5.5 Grant of Rights. You grant to each Amazon party, throughout the term of this Agreement, a nonexclusive, irrevocable, right and license to print (on-demand and in anticipation of customer demand),, and distribute Books, directly and through third-party distributors, in all formats you choose to make available through KDP by all distribution means available. This right includes, without limitation, the right to: (a) reproduce, index and store Books on one or more computer facilities, and reformat, convert and encode Books; (b) display, market, transmit, distribute, sell, license and otherwise make available all or any portion of Books through Amazon Properties (as defined below), for customers and prospective customers to download, access, copy and paste, print, annotate and/or view online and offline, including on portable devices; (c) permit customers to "store" Digital Books that they have purchased from us on servers ("Virtual Storage") and to access and re-download such Digital Books from Virtual Storage from time to time both during and after the term of this Agreement; (d) display and distribute (i) your trademarks and logos in the form you provide them to us or within Books (with such modifications as are necessary to optimize their viewing), and (ii) portions of Books, in each case solely for the purposes of marketing, soliciting and selling Books and related Amazon offerings; (e) use, reproduce, adapt, modify, and distribute, as we determine appropriate, in our sole discretion, any metadata and product description, information or images that you make available in connection with Books; and (f) transmit, reproduce and otherwise use (or cause the reformatting, transmission, reproduction, and/or other use of) Books as mere technological incidents to and for the limited purpose of technically enabling the foregoing (e.g., caching to enable display). In addition, you agree that we may permit our affiliates and independent contractors, and our affiliates' independent contractors, to exercise the rights that you grant to us in this Agreement. "Amazon Properties" means any web site, application or online point of presence, on any platform, that is owned or operated by or under license by Amazon or co-branded with Amazon, and any web site, application, device or online point of presence through which any Amazon Properties or products available for sale on them are syndicated, offered, merchandised, advertised or described. You grant us the rights set forth in this Section 5.5 on a worldwide basis; however, if we make available to you a procedure for indicating that you do not have worldwide distribution rights to a Digital Book, then the territory for the sale of that Digital Book will be those territories for which you indicate, through the procedure we provide to you, that you have distribution rights, except as otherwise provided in the Program Policies.

[Sirtel]

Originally Posted by jhowell

What happens is subject to the contract between the publisher and the e-book seller. For example when someone makes a book available on Kindle through KDP they must agree to...

Sarmat89 will probably say that such an agreement is illegal and Amazon should remove the books it no longer sells from its customers' accounts.

Good luck with making Amazon do that.

[DJUNGELSKOG]

Originally Posted by Sirtel

Or just plain greed. Maybe Sarmat89 is an author and wants people to buy their ebook many times over.

Or a junior manager at Amazon

[Sirtel]

Originally Posted by DJUNGELSKOG

Or a junior manager at Amazon

Maybe, but I don't think so. They seem to be pretty ignorant about how e-book commerce works in real life.

[DNSB]

While I have found some enjoyment in watching @Sarmat89 posting nonsense though that may say something not so nice about my sense of humour, perhaps we should try to drag this thread back to it's original concern about books vanishing from an ereader.

[Sirtel]

Originally Posted by DNSB

While I have found some enjoyment in watching @Sarmat89 posting nonsense though that may say something not so nice about my sense of humour, perhaps we should try to drag this thread back to it's original concern about books vanishing from an ereader.

Well, the only solution to that (besides buying a new Kindle) seems to be to install K4PC 2.9.1, download the books and remove the DRM, before Amazon disables the app (as they'll presumably do eventually).