PRS-500 Did anyone read the EULA for their Reader?

scotty1024 · 10-23-2006, 09:47 PM

No reverse engineering, no derivative works... blah blah blah.

If you violate the terms of this EULA Sony can require you to destroy all copies of the software.

Sounds like they're pretty hostile to anyone hacking the device.

NatCh · 10-23-2006, 10:31 PM

Is that a standard set of clauses? Did the Librie' have similar clauses in its EULA? (I'm really asking, I don't have any idea

) They didn't seem to upset about the Librie' hacks....

Leaping Gnome · 10-23-2006, 10:58 PM

Chances are that kind of boilerplate is in all Sony hardware product EULAs.

scotty1024 · 10-24-2006, 04:18 AM

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Originally Posted by NatCh

Is that a standard set of clauses? Did the Librie' have similar clauses in its EULA? (I'm really asking, I don't have any idea

) They didn't seem to upset about the Librie' hacks....

If there was an EULA, it was in Japanese.

scotty1024 · 10-24-2006, 04:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Leaping Gnome

Chances are that kind of boilerplate is in all Sony hardware product EULAs.

It's actually a very short, very simple EULA. It's on one of those pieces of paper you probably skipped when you unpacked your Reader.

Such EULA's have been found to be enforceable time after time in court.

It puts a new spin on what Sony could do if they decide enough is enough.

jæd · 10-24-2006, 04:51 AM

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Originally Posted by scotty1024

Such EULA's have been found to be enforceable time after time in court.

It puts a new spin on what Sony could do if they decide enough is enough.

Don't worry, probably only enforceable in the US. Oh, and how will they enforce it...? Come around and search you...?

TadW · 10-24-2006, 04:51 AM

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Originally Posted by scotty1024

It puts a new spin on what Sony could do if they decide enough is enough.

And what would they do then? Vaporize your Sony Reader? There is nothing Sony could (and neither should) do about what we are doing right now. In fact we are helping them to spread the word about the Reader.

The issue would be different if someone tried and published a way to circumvent Sony's BBeB DRM (Kinoma) protection.

NatCh · 10-24-2006, 11:23 AM

The BBeB's DRM is Marlin, and I'm sure they would be quite unhappy about anyone breaking it.

Maybe I can get a reaction to the hacking done around here when they're in Austin at the Book Festival this weekend.

TadW · 10-24-2006, 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by NatCh

Maybe I can get a reaction to the hacking done around here when they're in Austin at the Book Festival this weekend.

Nat, maybe you should refer to our activities as "extending the functionality of the Reader". Sounds a lot less threatening.

igorsk · 10-24-2006, 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by NatCh

The BBeB's DRM is Marlin, and I'm sure they would be quite unhappy about anyone breaking it.

Maybe I can get a reaction to the hacking done around here when they're in Austin at the Book Festival this weekend.

If you get the chance, ask them when are they going to open prslabs.com and what will be up there. Would be nice if they published the whole FSK object model and tools to make your own plugins... well, a man can dream

gseryakov · 10-25-2006, 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by igorsk

If you get the chance, ask them when are they going to open prslabs.com ...

...or else we shall start igorsklabs.com!

NatCh · 10-25-2006, 12:45 PM

You guys rock!

I already had the impression from the SD thing that they're not particularly threatened by efforts aimed at, um, "extending the functionality of the Reader." They didn't say as much, but I don't think it was something they could have said no matter how they wanted to.

There did seem to be recognition that the more the Reader can do, the better it looks to buyers, so I don't expect that they'll be too torqued about the whole thing.

Remember, they are probably as up on what's going on 'round here as I am, maybe more, since a lot of it goes swishing cleanly over my head.

I do think it's safe to say, however, that they'd be opposed to anything that would break the DRM, or prevent returning to the Factory OS, should the user wants to do that.

gseryakov · 10-25-2006, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by NatCh

I do think it's safe to say, however, that they'd be opposed to anything that would break the DRM, or prevent returning to the Factory OS, should the user wants to do that.

I think if anybody "prevents returning to the Factory OS" it is SD itself because no official procedure of "returning to the Factory OS" is published.

DRM. I respect DRM. Let DRM respect me, my ownership rights on the reader and the books. If somebody (being inspired by his understanding of digital rights) prevented an owner of a reader and books on it to exercise the ownership rights
that prevention will be destroyed. Because of a big corporation is much much bigger then a men but smaller then a community.

arivero · 10-25-2006, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by gseryakov

DRM. I respect DRM. Let DRM respect me, my ownership rights on the reader and the books. If somebody (being inspired by his understanding of digital rights) prevented an owner of a reader and books on it to exercise the ownership rights
that prevention will be destroyed. Because of a big corporation is much much bigger then a men but smaller then a community.

Moreover, there is the argument of the xpdf guys: We respect fully DRM because, er, speaking of intellectual property rights, we expect you to respect fully GPL. Of course, the EULA violates GPL.

NatCh · 10-25-2006, 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by gseryakov

I think if anybody "prevents returning to the Factory OS" it is SD itself because no official procedure of "returning to the Factory OS" is published.

I think that's what the hard-reset instructions do ....

But you're correct in that they haven't widely published them.

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NatCh Gizmologist Posts: 11,615 Karma: 929550 Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Republic of Texas Embassy at Jackson, TN Device: Pocketbook Touch HD3	Is that a standard set of clauses? Did the Librie' have similar clauses in its EULA? (I'm really asking, I don't have any idea ) They didn't seem to upset about the Librie' hacks....

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Leaping Gnome Evangelist Posts: 490 Karma: 1641 Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Louisville Device: Sony Reader PRS-500	Chances are that kind of boilerplate is in all Sony hardware product EULAs.

10-24-2006, 11:23 AM	#8
NatCh Gizmologist Posts: 11,615 Karma: 929550 Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Republic of Texas Embassy at Jackson, TN Device: Pocketbook Touch HD3	The BBeB's DRM is Marlin, and I'm sure they would be quite unhappy about anyone breaking it. Maybe I can get a reaction to the hacking done around here when they're in Austin at the Book Festival this weekend.

10-25-2006, 12:45 PM	#12
NatCh Gizmologist Posts: 11,615 Karma: 929550 Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Republic of Texas Embassy at Jackson, TN Device: Pocketbook Touch HD3	You guys rock! I already had the impression from the SD thing that they're not particularly threatened by efforts aimed at, um, "extending the functionality of the Reader." They didn't say as much, but I don't think it was something they could have said no matter how they wanted to. There did seem to be recognition that the more the Reader can do, the better it looks to buyers, so I don't expect that they'll be too torqued about the whole thing. Remember, they are probably as up on what's going on 'round here as I am, maybe more, since a lot of it goes swishing cleanly over my head. I do think it's safe to say, however, that they'd be opposed to anything that would break the DRM, or prevent returning to the Factory OS, should the user wants to do that.