AI written books

John F · 02-22-2023, 07:08 AM

"The Kindle Store has a prolific new author: ChatGPT"

https://www.engadget.com/the-kindle-...7.html?src=rss

Quoth · 02-22-2023, 10:23 AM

Meh.
Industrial Plagiarism.

Critteranne · 02-22-2023, 10:23 AM

AI submissions have also been a problem for Clarkesworld Magazine. See this post from the editor.

On Twitter, they announced that they are closed to submissions for now. I can't remember the last time they were closed to submissions. Clarkesworld is almost always open for submissions -- and very responsive. (They respond to submissions extremely quickly.)

andyh2000 · 02-22-2023, 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Critteranne

AI submissions have also been a problem for Clarkesworld Magazine. See this post from the editor.

On Twitter, they announced that they are closed to submissions for now. I can't remember the last time they were closed to submissions. Clarkesworld is almost always open for submissions -- and very responsive. (They respond to submissions extremely quickly.)

Ignoring for now any ethical questions about where the training data comes from I can't help thinking that if it becomes impossible for professional editors to tell if something is written by an AI or a person then why wouldn't I be happy reading the AI stuff as well?

Andrew

Quoth · 02-22-2023, 12:39 PM

It takes time. You have to actually read the stuff and know all the stuff that is plagiarised to build the texts. Editors don't always spot plagiarism and then the printer, publisher and author get sued later.

Also the ChatGPT financial model is to sell the tools to detect it.

ZodWallop · 02-22-2023, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Quoth

Also the ChatGPT financial model is to sell the tools to detect it.

You sure like to jump to conclusions.

Quoth · 02-22-2023, 05:33 PM

They (the company behind ChatGPT) ARE selling detection tools to HR depts and Universities already!

DNSB · 02-22-2023, 06:31 PM

There are several currently free tools for detecting content written by AI. One friend of mine is currently having fun testing 5 or 6 of them for use in his school. At this time, his best results have come from running multiple tools since none of them are overly reliable.

haertig · 02-22-2023, 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by DNSB

There are several currently free tools for detecting content written by AI. One friend of mine is currently having fun testing 5 or 6 of them for use in his school. At this time, his best results have come from running multiple tools since none of them are overly reliable.

It almost seems like I've read this post before .....

ZodWallop · 02-22-2023, 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Quoth

They (the company behind ChatGPT) ARE selling detection tools to HR depts and Universities already!

So the capital from investors, the integration into Microsoft's Bing search engine... that's all just a smokescreen then...

Everyone knows the real money is in those detection tools!

SteveEisenberg · 02-22-2023, 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by andyh2000

Ignoring for now any ethical questions about where the training data comes from I can't help thinking that if it becomes impossible for professional editors to tell if something is written by an AI or a person then why wouldn't I be happy reading the AI stuff as well?

I normally defend reading books by authors who don’t care a bit for those they hurt. But not here, even if the amoral machine wins a Pulitzer. I don’t want to read a book with no real humans — author(s) and editor(s) — teaching me something new about the world.

ownedbycats · 02-22-2023, 09:40 PM

I've seen AI-generated fanfiction cropping up on Archive of Our Own. It's always kind of terrible.

EDIT: My favourite example would be one where one character imprisoned another. In canon, these characters would most definitely kill each other given a chance. But in this AI-generated fanfic, they just fell in love in a single line with zero explanation.

DNSB · 02-22-2023, 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by ZodWallop

So the capital from investors, the integration into Microsoft's Bing search engine... that's all just a smokescreen then...

Everyone knows the real money is in those detection tools!

A bit odd since the two OpenAI tools I've seen are at no cost.

ZodWallop · 02-22-2023, 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by DNSB

A bit odd since the two OpenAI tools I've seen are at no cost.

DNSB · 02-22-2023, 11:40 PM

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Originally Posted by ZodWallop

While that might be possible in the future, currently, the two tools from OpenAI and the 5 other ChatGPT/AI created detection tools I know of are all free. There are rumours that Turnitin will be adding AI written detection to their tools. The school in question is already using Turnitin, CopyLeaks (paid versions) and Google Classroom's premium feature for plagiarism detection.

02-22-2023, 07:08 AM	#1
John F Grand Sorcerer Posts: 8,006 Karma: 71261339 Join Date: Feb 2009 Device: Kobo Clara 2E	AI written books "The Kindle Store has a prolific new author: ChatGPT" https://www.engadget.com/the-kindle-...7.html?src=rss

02-22-2023, 09:40 PM	#12
ownedbycats Custom User Title Posts: 11,360 Karma: 79528341 Join Date: Oct 2018 Location: Canada Device: Kobo Libra H2O, formerly Aura HD	I've seen AI-generated fanfiction cropping up on Archive of Our Own. It's always kind of terrible. EDIT: My favourite example would be one where one character imprisoned another. In canon, these characters would most definitely kill each other given a chance. But in this AI-generated fanfic, they just fell in love in a single line with zero explanation. Last edited by ownedbycats; 02-22-2023 at 09:58 PM.

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02-22-2023, 10:23 AM	#2
Quoth Still reading Posts: 15,008 Karma: 111111255 Join Date: Jun 2017 Location: Ireland Device: All 4 Kinds: epub eink, Kindle, android eink, NxtPaper	Meh. Industrial Plagiarism.

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Critteranne Guru Posts: 815 Karma: 23183490 Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: MD Device: Kindle, iPad	AI submissions have also been a problem for Clarkesworld Magazine. See this post from the editor. On Twitter, they announced that they are closed to submissions for now. I can't remember the last time they were closed to submissions. Clarkesworld is almost always open for submissions -- and very responsive. (They respond to submissions extremely quickly.)

02-22-2023, 12:39 PM	#5
Quoth Still reading Posts: 15,008 Karma: 111111255 Join Date: Jun 2017 Location: Ireland Device: All 4 Kinds: epub eink, Kindle, android eink, NxtPaper	It takes time. You have to actually read the stuff and know all the stuff that is plagiarised to build the texts. Editors don't always spot plagiarism and then the printer, publisher and author get sued later. Also the ChatGPT financial model is to sell the tools to detect it.

02-22-2023, 05:33 PM	#7
Quoth Still reading Posts: 15,008 Karma: 111111255 Join Date: Jun 2017 Location: Ireland Device: All 4 Kinds: epub eink, Kindle, android eink, NxtPaper	They (the company behind ChatGPT) ARE selling detection tools to HR depts and Universities already!

02-22-2023, 06:31 PM	#8
DNSB Bibliophagist Posts: 48,175 Karma: 174315444 Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Vancouver Device: Kobo Sage, Libra Colour, Lenovo M8 FHD, Paperwhite 4, Tolino epos	There are several currently free tools for detecting content written by AI. One friend of mine is currently having fun testing 5 or 6 of them for use in his school. At this time, his best results have come from running multiple tools since none of them are overly reliable.