Z-Library is back, alas

[ApK]

The stated reason was to stop wholesale theft at the pre-retail level. RFID based systems don't really help if the stuff is stolen off a truck on the way to the Home Depot warehouse.
But I agree, too expensive, too complex, too intrusive and too much potential for harming legit users.

[Quoth]

Originally Posted by ApK

The stated reason was to stop wholesale theft at the pre-retail level. RFID based systems don't really help if the stuff is stolen off a truck on the way to the Home Depot warehouse.
But I agree, too expensive, too complex, too intrusive and too much potential for harming legit users.

Truck theft is real, but a small volume compared to retail theft. Entire shipment theft is rarer than theft of retail sales shipped by post/courier, which this doesn't address at all.

[ownedbycats]

Originally Posted by Kindleing

The issue is that software is at the heart of much of today's hardware - automobiles, farm machinery and other physical products. It is almost impossible to repair a modern automobile or major farm machine without accessing the software. And that software is protected by DRM methods. In the US there is a "Right to Repair" movement that is attempting to force manufacturers to provide access to proprietary software for maintenance and repair purposes.

A few years ago, when Massachusetts trying to pass (? I think) a right-to-repair law and automotive manufacturers running a fearmonger ad that implied that it'd allow sexual predators to stalk people. Yes, really.

[ZodWallop]

Originally Posted by ownedbycats

A few years ago, when Massachusetts trying to pass (? I think) a right-to-repair law and automotive manufacturers running a fearmonger ad that implied that it'd allow sexual predators to stalk people. Yes, really.

The fear of sexual predators has worked for everything else, why not right to repair?

[ownedbycats]

I saw the full ad before the video was taken down (lol) and I could see why people would get fooled.

[theducks]

Originally Posted by Quoth

BT range can be extended to 100 meters easily. No physical access is needed. An extension of ransomware.

There is a reason many retailers have a camera on the till operator. I did install retail "security" for a while. Chain / franchises have a bigger problem than a locally owned shop as often there is no local management, just some of the operators are also supervisors. So I'm sceptical, but it's a misuse of technology even it is effective. All DRM is.

A number of years ago, I was in the office of a Grocery Manager (service call) when he said Look at that (pointing to the security cam screen), 'He has not been thru the regisrer' (Employee was out the back door with a case of beer.)
This is even more common today.

My local Walmart has more and more hardware type stuff in locked cases (a real pain to find a keyholder). Prices reflect this 'shrinkage'

[ZodWallop]

Originally Posted by theducks

...he said Look at that (pointing to the security cam screen), 'He has not been thru the regisrer' (Employee was out the back door with a case of beer.)

From that quote, sounds like the employee out back wasn't the only one who had been at the beer

[Kindleing]

Originally Posted by John F

But adding software to a drill for the sole purpose of preventing theft of a physical object seems different to me (as far as calling it DRM)

I agree with you on that point. I was reacting to the dictionary definition that seemed to exclude software embedded in physical objects.

[SilviasBooks]

Ich habe vorhin zwei Hoster herausbekommen.
Aber die scheinen die Hoster alle paar Minuten zu wechseln.
Als ich nach einer halben Stunde nochmal geguckt hatte, war das wieder ein anderer Host.
Aber von den ersten beiden habe ich Screenshots gemacht, und habe den beiden Hosts geschrieben.
Ratet mal, Amazon ist ein Host.
Eine Beschwerde wird zwar nichts bringen, aber ich habe es trotzdem gemacht.

[DNSB]

Are you complaining about two hosts that are hosting Z-Library private domains?

[Quoth]

Something like over 60% of hosting in general is now on Amazon, Google and Microsoft. So hardly surprising.

[isarl]

Originally Posted by SilviasBooks

Ich habe vorhin zwei Hoster herausbekommen.
Aber die scheinen die Hoster alle paar Minuten zu wechseln.
Als ich nach einer halben Stunde nochmal geguckt hatte, war das wieder ein anderer Host.
Aber von den ersten beiden habe ich Screenshots gemacht, und habe den beiden Hosts geschrieben.
Ratet mal, Amazon ist ein Host.
Eine Beschwerde wird zwar nichts bringen, aber ich habe es trotzdem gemacht.

Google Translated for anybody who, like me, is not very good at reading German/Deutsch:

Originally Posted by SilviasBooks

I found two hosters earlier.
But they seem to change hosts every few minutes.
When I checked again half an hour later, it was another host.
But I took screenshots of the first two and wrote to the two hosts.
Guess Amazon is a host.
Complaining won't help, but I did it anyway.

[BionicGecko]

Originally Posted by Deskisamess

While not about piracy etc, you neglected to mention the positive side of e-books. Easily accessed on several devices at the same time, adjustable font sizes, line spacing, margins, etc. Being able to read them on front lite devices that mean they can be read anywhere, regardless of ambient lighting.

My experience with e-books since 2009 has been that they are generally not more expensive than their new print counterparts. There are exceptions, but hasn't been the rule. E-books, even with the DRM, are worth more to me than print books. The negatives about e-books and their laws/rules are outweighed greatly by their positives.

One point not mentioned here though is the fact that those purchases are not transferrable to your progeny after death. As far as I know, typical DRM laws allow a person to remove DRM for their own usage only; descendants reading e-books de-DRMed by their parents are effectively committing piracy.

Physical books (or compact discs or DVDs) remain in the family. As we are moving towards a completely digital media landscape, we are depriving our children not only from potentially valuable assets, but also from the sheer pleasure of re-discovering works which, at least, entertained their parents, but also possibly had a major role in shaping their identities. This is a pretty hefty price to pay for adjustable font sizes and the like.

[issybird]

Originally Posted by BionicGecko

One point not mentioned here though is the fact that those purchases are not transferrable to your progeny after death. As far as I know, typical DRM laws allow a person to remove DRM for their own usage only; descendants reading e-books de-DRMed by their parents are effectively committing piracy.

Physical books (or compact discs or DVDs) remain in the family. As we are moving towards a completely digital media landscape, we are depriving our children not only from potentially worthy assets, but also from the sheer pleasure of re-discovering works which, at least, entertained their parents, but also possibly had a major impact on shaping their identities. This is a pretty hefty price to pay for adjustable font sizes and the like.

I think the reality is that nearly all of those books accumulated by parents in their lifetimes end up in the dumpster at death, and those are the few that survived moves and general pruning over time. In short, this is a sentimental take on physical books that doesn't reflect the reality. Books are heavy, bulky and deteriorate and as anyone's who's tried knows, no place wants them when you want to get rid of them. And seriously, what percentage of anyone's library consists of absolute gems compared to the dross of everyday reading?

It's like baseball cards; they're only valuable because Mom threw most of them out when the kid went off to college.

[mbovenka]

Originally Posted by BionicGecko

This is a pretty hefty price to pay for adjustable font sizes and the like.

It's a pretty hefty price to pay for DRM and the 'rent-to-read' model, you mean.